This could still support more than two displays via a DP MST hub. With DP 1.4, 8K30 is possible which could be broken down to four 4K30 displays that come off of the MST hub or daisy chained. With DP 2.0, four 8K60 displays are possible using DSC over a single cable. Conceptually this can be broken down to sixteen 4k60 displays. This should cover most video wall needs but does require the MST hub(s). The one restriction is that how many displays can be driven directly off of the video card, which I think is four for Intel GPUs. This can be by passed as several MST hubs leveraging identical displays can appear as a unified surface and thus count as one display for this purpose.
I think they could have added in 2x USB-C alt mode DP + HDMI for 3 displays. or 4x mini-DP or 4x USB-C alt mode DP. USB-C to DP cables, and DP to HDMI adapter cables are easy to find, and cheap.
The excuse is LP GPUs just don't get special treatment, and this is a standard PC industry configuration.
I am surprised this one even ships with the LP bracket, because manufacturers usually don't include it. If it shipped with both LP and regular brackets, it's already 90% ahead of what everyone else does.
The best you will see is something like 4x mini-DP on the same row, and those would be typically found on a Quadro
Eh, integrated graphics are more than enough for nearly everything including gaming if you pick your games with any amount of thought and aren't hung up on playing current popular titles. Even a relatively efficient dGPU like this is vast overkill for mundane compute tasks and fairly excessive for gaming and entertainment.
The Cezanne iGPU was respectable, but not powerful. Rembrandt, Phoenix, et al. have yet to appear on AM5. Getting a mini PC with a mobile chip in it is the only option for that next level of iGPU performance.
The A380 looked good in theory. Has all the decode/encode, 6 GB of VRAM instead of 4 GB, sips power. But the performance is around an RX 6400, weaker than the 6500 XT and Phoenix's 780M.
If you want to insist that Cezanne 5600G/5700G performance is enough or that people should get a Rembrandt/Phoenix mini PC, ok I guess.
I wasn't thinking Cezanne at all. More like whatever Intel was hocking in the form of HD 620 type stuff. At the moment, I use a Pentium n3700 which IIRC is one generation newer than Bay Trail so 2015-ish low power processor with 16EUs clocked at up to 700 MHz. It's good enough, but again, I'm not an idiot about picking what sorts of games I want to play. A newer platform would be nice like the Pentium n5000 or n6000, but I'm not really feeling the pinch beacuse the Dell Latitude 3160 the CPU sits in is sufficient for pretty much everything I do to stay amused and I don't feel like throwing away $150 on an ebay laptop to replace it just yet.
I do use HD530 graphics constantly now and it's fine for what I do with it and old games like Skyrim. Phoenix and Strix Point are getting closer to the magic 1080p60 mark in new games, and that's something worth celebrating because that's a good point at which dGPUs can be kicked to the curb.
The low profile, low power nature of this card also means that it is good choice to add for servers that do video transcoding. Granted it is a niche application but it exists.
I use mine with BlueIris for QuickSync and CodeProject.AI and it's by far the cheapest solution for video encoding. Quicksync has been around for nearly 10 generations of Intel CPU's and is incredibly powerful. The ARC is the first discrete product to offer QuickSync outside of an Intel CPU.
I'd have to check some reviews but I think it's about on par with RX 6400. Driver updates improved performance slightly, although I think getting rid of the crashes and graphical issues was more important.
A380 is obviously useful to some people, it's the price point that should be in contention. What's it worth, $80?
So does this mean that Intel will be releasing more GPUs in the future and everyone is getting on-board, or that partners are trying to liquidate their current stock because it's dead?
I think most people are just waiting to see how these GPU's mature... History is littered with graphics cards that were poorly supported over the long term or suffered from performance irregularities.
Delta Chrome, Kyro, Parhelia, Xaber just to name a few are prime examples.
Current Intel GPU's are notorious for poor compatibility in older DX11 and prior titles, but it is improving, Intel just needs to play the long game and not give up to early.
The long game is necessary due to Intel leveraging the same basic architecture in their integrated graphics as their discrete cards. That alone means that Intel will be making the software investments because, well they have to for their mobile business. The discrete side might die but the software side will live on.
It would be interesting if their iGPUs became more like dGPUs. It looks like Adamantine cache in Meteor Lake will only be in the ballpark of 128-512 MB, but what if they put in 4... 8... 16 GB of L4 in the future?
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Kevin G - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
This could still support more than two displays via a DP MST hub. With DP 1.4, 8K30 is possible which could be broken down to four 4K30 displays that come off of the MST hub or daisy chained. With DP 2.0, four 8K60 displays are possible using DSC over a single cable. Conceptually this can be broken down to sixteen 4k60 displays. This should cover most video wall needs but does require the MST hub(s). The one restriction is that how many displays can be driven directly off of the video card, which I think is four for Intel GPUs. This can be by passed as several MST hubs leveraging identical displays can appear as a unified surface and thus count as one display for this purpose.meacupla - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
I think they could have added in 2x USB-C alt mode DP + HDMI for 3 displays.or 4x mini-DP
or 4x USB-C alt mode DP.
USB-C to DP cables, and DP to HDMI adapter cables are easy to find, and cheap.
DanNeely - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
With a dual slot cooler there's no excuse for not having a second row of video outputs.meacupla - Friday, July 7, 2023 - link
The excuse is LP GPUs just don't get special treatment, and this is a standard PC industry configuration.I am surprised this one even ships with the LP bracket, because manufacturers usually don't include it. If it shipped with both LP and regular brackets, it's already 90% ahead of what everyone else does.
The best you will see is something like 4x mini-DP on the same row, and those would be typically found on a Quadro
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
Eh, integrated graphics are more than enough for nearly everything including gaming if you pick your games with any amount of thought and aren't hung up on playing current popular titles. Even a relatively efficient dGPU like this is vast overkill for mundane compute tasks and fairly excessive for gaming and entertainment.nandnandnand - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
The Cezanne iGPU was respectable, but not powerful. Rembrandt, Phoenix, et al. have yet to appear on AM5. Getting a mini PC with a mobile chip in it is the only option for that next level of iGPU performance.The A380 looked good in theory. Has all the decode/encode, 6 GB of VRAM instead of 4 GB, sips power. But the performance is around an RX 6400, weaker than the 6500 XT and Phoenix's 780M.
If you want to insist that Cezanne 5600G/5700G performance is enough or that people should get a Rembrandt/Phoenix mini PC, ok I guess.
PeachNCream - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
I wasn't thinking Cezanne at all. More like whatever Intel was hocking in the form of HD 620 type stuff. At the moment, I use a Pentium n3700 which IIRC is one generation newer than Bay Trail so 2015-ish low power processor with 16EUs clocked at up to 700 MHz. It's good enough, but again, I'm not an idiot about picking what sorts of games I want to play. A newer platform would be nice like the Pentium n5000 or n6000, but I'm not really feeling the pinch beacuse the Dell Latitude 3160 the CPU sits in is sufficient for pretty much everything I do to stay amused and I don't feel like throwing away $150 on an ebay laptop to replace it just yet.nandnandnand - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
I do use HD530 graphics constantly now and it's fine for what I do with it and old games like Skyrim. Phoenix and Strix Point are getting closer to the magic 1080p60 mark in new games, and that's something worth celebrating because that's a good point at which dGPUs can be kicked to the curb.meacupla - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
The only use case I see for this is adding av1 decode to an older cpu.it's slower than a gtx1650 or rx6400 for gaming
Kevin G - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
The low profile, low power nature of this card also means that it is good choice to add for servers that do video transcoding. Granted it is a niche application but it exists.rowenarrow - Friday, August 11, 2023 - link
Agreed, that is what I would like to get it for.Samus - Friday, September 15, 2023 - link
I use mine with BlueIris for QuickSync and CodeProject.AI and it's by far the cheapest solution for video encoding. Quicksync has been around for nearly 10 generations of Intel CPU's and is incredibly powerful. The ARC is the first discrete product to offer QuickSync outside of an Intel CPU.nandnandnand - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
I'd have to check some reviews but I think it's about on par with RX 6400. Driver updates improved performance slightly, although I think getting rid of the crashes and graphical issues was more important.A380 is obviously useful to some people, it's the price point that should be in contention. What's it worth, $80?
ballsystemlord - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
So does this mean that Intel will be releasing more GPUs in the future and everyone is getting on-board, or that partners are trying to liquidate their current stock because it's dead?StevoLincolnite - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
I think most people are just waiting to see how these GPU's mature... History is littered with graphics cards that were poorly supported over the long term or suffered from performance irregularities.Delta Chrome, Kyro, Parhelia, Xaber just to name a few are prime examples.
Current Intel GPU's are notorious for poor compatibility in older DX11 and prior titles, but it is improving, Intel just needs to play the long game and not give up to early.
Kevin G - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
The long game is necessary due to Intel leveraging the same basic architecture in their integrated graphics as their discrete cards. That alone means that Intel will be making the software investments because, well they have to for their mobile business. The discrete side might die but the software side will live on.nandnandnand - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
It would be interesting if their iGPUs became more like dGPUs. It looks like Adamantine cache in Meteor Lake will only be in the ballpark of 128-512 MB, but what if they put in 4... 8... 16 GB of L4 in the future?Zoolook - Tuesday, July 11, 2023 - link
They need to step it up, what they have delivered on mobile is functional at best, never great.