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  • NICOXIS - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    wow, that's some nasty heat pipe/copper porn you got going on there...
  • Targon - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    You should check out the heat pipe configuration from that Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC. It's really very well done, and was from 2017 with a desktop Ryzen 7 1700. With the move to 7nm, I expect to see more 12 and even 16 core laptops with the desktop chips in them.
  • wr3zzz - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    Ah Clevo, noting like spending nearly $3k on a toaster destined to become a paperweight...
  • Retycint - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    Clevo has mountains of designs and chassis, some having better thermal performance than others. You can't just write off an entire brand based off one specific chassis
  • IBM760XL - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    That's actually pretty intriguing as a desktop replacement option, as someone whose main use cases would be replacing a desktop, taking it to LANs, and perhaps as a laptop to use in the evenings when traveling for work. Both the weight and the thickness are very reasonable. The question - and one of the main reasons I skipped the Asus - is can they keep the noise levels reasonable when it has a light to moderate load?

    Well, and the price... although I'd rather have one that doesn't sound like a jet engine and costs a bit more, than one that sounds like a jet engine.
  • anactoraaron - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    I find my current clevo a bit on the loud side - mainly under load. But with the fans at 100% it is a jet engine level of loudness. But it does keep temps cool, and fan control is adjustable with the app.

    But from my experience late last year it's either a laptop hitting 100c with moderate noise (both an issue with the acer and dell laptops I tried out), or it's jet engine under load. I picked thermal performance, but I totally understand your perspective- even more so after owning a jet engine for the past 4 months.
  • Meaker10 - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    Since it has no graphics switching (no igp on a 12 core ryzen) the dgpu will stay live and so idle will still be relatively high. It will always generate some noise as a result. Hopefully not too much.
  • boeush - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    "...a modular design and therefore can be upgraded, assuming that AMD will offer more high-end processors in its AM4 form-factor with a 65 W TDP and there will be an appropriate BIOS update for the NH57ADS."

    I wouldn't bet on it. I have an older Clevo from ~4 years ago (still going strong); there've been NO software updates released by Clevo since the time I took delivery of it. Going to the driver download page for that model, all the "latest" drivers still date to 4 years ago.

    (Which isn't to say that I haven't been getting updates through the normal Windows Update mechanism - just not through or from the OEM.)
  • Retycint - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    You don't need to upgrade drivers if everything's working. The only one you actually need to upgrade are the graphic drivers, which you should get directly from the manufacturer anyway (AMD/Nvidia website)
  • Xajel - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    Having AM4 and 65W TDP in the paragraph means they're talking about BIOS/AGESA update. AMD will for sure release Zen3 based CPU's in AM4 and 65W TDP this year, and will release the AGESA code required to use the CPU on older AM4 platforms.
    But you will not be able to upgrade the laptop with a driver, you need to update the BIOS/AGESA to support the new CPU. And you must wait for Clevo to have that AGESA code and make a BIOS update based on it.
  • edzieba - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link

    "You don't need to upgrade drivers if everything's working"

    Only if the system is airgapped (and with all interface ports glued shut). Drivers can contain vulnerability like any other piece of software, and not keeping them updates is just as bad as not keeping the OS or your browser updated.
  • anactoraaron - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    I'm very interested in seeing what the price of this notebook will be. There's a few things that make me believe it will be affordably priced. A USB 2.0 port, no TB, zone rgb (not individual key rgb), no fingerprint scanner, and 1 sata m.2. There was a bit of info on the YT comments from the reseller XMG. The base config will have the R5 3600. Obviously no switchable graphics for the R9 3900. Chipset is B450. There will be full bios options (at least through XMG).

    Since this machine will be awful on battery life as it is I would love to see the inclusion of the Samsung OLED that is in my current Clevo pb51rc. If the chassis is similar I would also expect excellent cooling, as the pb51rc was the notebook I tried that could keep the temps of the i7 9750h in check. It can boost up to 90w and with a notebook stand and new thermal paste only reach low 80s when fully loaded at max boost (pl1). Throttling to pl2 @ 55w moves temps down to the low 60s. This thing may actually run reasonably cool at the full 65w!

    Now if there is going to be the full bios there was also discussion about ECO mode and 3950x support... but I didn't see any official response regarding this.

    If this will support the 3950x and have the OLED this will be a day 1 purchase and I will sell the pb51rc I currently have. Just have to find the patience to wait until resellers get stock and the price becomes known.
  • Ej24 - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    If only they ditched the 2.5in drive. Cheap bulk m.2 Sata storage is a thing these days. That 2.5in drive bay could have been battery. I realize it's not meant to be a super portable system but still it'd be amazing if it had like a 80-90Wh battery. You'd last more than 90 seconds away from the wall.
  • Kjella - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    65W CPU + 115W GPU / 90 Wh battery = 30 minutes. It's not really usable, what's there is enough that you can watch a movie, browse the web or work on a presentation on the way to your next location but a machine like this lives 95-99% of its life running off AC. It's just one easy unit you can fold up and go rather than a box plus a screen w/stand plus a keyboard which is kinda unwieldy even for a backpack. I had something like this once, the battery was broken - it literally lasted less than 90 seconds from the wall - but I still used it for two years without any reason to ask IT for a replacement. Pack up at one client, take it to next client site and plug it in. Same with gaming on the go, you'll probably want to sit down at a desk and at that desk there'll be power. It's the battery that's a waste of space...
  • Tunnah - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    That's under load though. My 3700x idles most the time, so does my 1080Ti. If you're just on desktop browsing, I'd be surprised if it ever goes over 15w + 30w
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - link

    That is some serious cooling. It would be nice to get that amount of cooling capacity on more conventional laptops so the fans would hardly need to run and a 15W CPU with iGPU would stay nice and cool.
  • Retycint - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    You could always just limit the power on a regular 45W to 15W via throttlestop or something, and then you have a nice and cool machine with fans barely needing to turn on. Like, the 45W and 15W processors are almost identical anyway, save for slightly better binning (power-wise) on the 15W parts I suppose.
  • Santoval - Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - link

    That's a really big ass cooling design, with a LOT of copper. Since the total TDP of this "laptop" will be in the ~200W range I suppose its blowers could double as hair or hand dryers. I also expect a "DO NOT PLACE ON YOUR LAP (particularly if you are a man)" warning stamped somewhere on it along with, perhaps, an "Avoid using or use in downclock mode when ambient temperature is above 35°C / 95°F" one.
  • wolfesteinabhi - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link

    i would have expected a 3950X inside a DTR compared to 3900X ..since 3950X is a bit more efficient and is thermally similar or even a bit cooler at times.

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