Wrong, 2700u is an EXCELLENT mobile CPU, BETTER than the I7 8550u.. what are you talking about? It games for example CS:GO (50fps) at low settings and I bought a Lenovo with this CPU for my mom that had M.2 slot for $449 dollars from staples and its blazing fast at only 15 watts...
Similar things were said when Ryzen 1800x was introduced. Turns out it was slower than Intel's top offering. Most people said Radeon Vega 64 would demolish Nvidia when it was introduced. Turns out it was slower than Nvidia's top offering. Let's be realistic and wait for benchmarks.
That's not true, the Ryzen 1800x was much faster than Intel's faster consumer chip at the time. It had twice as many cores! That's why Intel has been upping their consumer core count ever since.
I mean, you could argue that it wasn't as fast single-core, but that's not what you wrote.
I meant more from a IPC standpoint but I can see your point when it comes to workstation loads. For gaming, well the 7700K crushed the 1700x at similar $ price points.
even IPC was very similar, with AMD being only a bit behind. intels only real advantage was the higher clockspeed. and that seems to be going away now as well.
IPC of Zen/Zen+ is roughly on par with Haswell / Broadwell. Which is to say, close but not quite up to Skylake. Fortunately for AMD, Skylake IPC = Kaby Lake IPC = Kaby Lake Refresh IPC = Coffee Lake IPC = Coffee Lake refresh IPC. You are mostly correct in that clock frequencies have been by far the largest obstacle for AMD as of late.
So true, but I still bought the stock for servers recently ;) Just can't tell how far in advance the market will move on the 64 core info. The 32 core just hit, so we'll soon see how many they are selling, but I don't think they'll take much from Intel as they are on a much more level field vs. Intel 14nm++. However, the 64 core will change that on 7nm for at least a while and that's what I'm after in the stock price. $17000 chips that even dumb management can't mess up that badly. Unlike the Navi which they seem to be blowing if rumored prices are true $249 for 1080 perf? Dumb. I'd price it at 1080 until NV lowered prices, that is how you make R&D money for next year. $20-50 extra down in this range would actually produce some REAL net income. But pricing this low just looks like market share grabs that mean nothing without margin as the little guy.
NV/Intel can pull that crap to keep you from making income, but the little guy really can't as he can't bleed cash until you're R&D broke. I wish AMD would stop pricing GOOD products to death, along with their bottom line year after year.
You are forgetting that Intel has Ice Lake - which runs on new 10nm (Intel) which is likely as good or better than AMD 7nm and even more important Sunny Cove architexture is going to have significant impact on performance because of more cache and more importantly - more execution units.
You have to remember that Ice Lake desktop parts will launch ~1 year after Zen 2 Ryzen (3rd gen). Ice Lake will compete against Zen 3 Ryzen (4:th gen). On mobile parts and APUs however, Ice Lake will compete against Zen 2 Ryzen (4:th gen) and might even beat AMD to the market. I see a situation where AMD gets a lead in desktop (non-APUs), while Intel continues to hold the mobile market.
AMD showed off a 8-core cpu performing identically to a i9-9900k, while running at ~75W. Both cpus were likely running at 4.7GHz all core. Doubling core count while only increasing TDP by a third? I don't think AMD can pull that off. They might be able to hit 4.7GHz at 120W (the TDP that the i9-9900k was running at).
Io will eats 4-6W so it leave about 50W to the second soc... Not much, but it is something. Definitely enough for small GPU maybe enough for two 6 core CPUs... In anyway this year will be interesting in CPU department!
I compared 2700X with 2950X. 2950X has a 71% higher TDP. That would give the 16-core a 128W TDP. Now, it's worth remembering that the 2:nd gen cpus have different clock speeds. Architectural improvements might reduce I/O power draw. I'll admit I got a bit optimistic when I mentioned 120W; 130W is more realistic.
Nvidia will take a hit when their expensive cards have to go up against navi (a cost lowering design). Any tier that navi sells at will cause other cards in that tier to have to sell for less.
I doubt Nvidia would reduce the prices of RTX cards much if at all. They have features that Navi doesn't. Unless Navi undercuts RTX by a huge margin I don't see Nvidia caring.
True... And they can release the rumored 11xx series to those segments where Navi is too strong and leave RTX to all others, where AMD does not have soldiers to feed...
About that: IIRC, AMD said at launch that it's supposed to be pronounced "Risen," but does anyone say that? Most video reviews online call it "Rye-Zen," which is where things go in my mind. Either way, kind of a dumb name for such a great product: "Risen" has oddly religious overtones, and Rye-zen sounds like the name of a token Asian character in a 90s fighting game designed entirely by white people.
Either way, not nearly as appealing of a name as "Core."
Adding to say: it never occurred to me to read it as "risen" before (and I didn't know that's how AMD prefers to pronounce it), but now that you mention it - it does also sound a lot like "reason" ... which is kind of the antidote to oddly religious overtones. :-)
Hoping for concrete info on shipping Zen 2 (Ryzen 3). AMD's said that the first Zen 2 products to ship will be EPYC Rome, but it also seems like those may not ship until Q3, which is way later than many hoped for.
The other question is, well, anything about Navi, but I think the absolute best case scenario for AMD and consumers is 2060-level performance at say, $300 and power requirements that don't involve a PSU with an antimatter reactor. (Though they've said so little about Navi that there's a chance we could be surprised.)
These official keynotes (unlike the presentations from Intel and Nvidia this year) are rarely used to release many details about new products, It's more about "AMD's vision for 2019" so many readers might be disappointed because it probably lacks details.
I'm genuinely excited for the first time in a long time. Intel has been just trodding along for years in the desktop space, and while Ryzen was great, I've really been wanting a higher clocked chip. If these Zen2 parts are anything like the leaks, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for desktop gaming.
I've always been a loyal customer of AMD, but the "dozer" era has been a fiasco. I have a Ryzen 1600 on my PC now and I am quite happy with it. I am really looking forward to the Zen2 and I seriusly hope they can "nick" a bit more market share at Intel. In the end, competition is kind and we will all benefit from it. In fact, I think we already have seen a major shift in Intel's plans, and I doubt it would have happened if Zen was not as competitive as it is.
My hopes: 10~15% IPC increase (Zen2 over Zen) and frequencies close to 5GHz. Do this, and maybe I'll even swap my 1600 for a 3700.
4.7 Ghz XFR seems to be in the cards, so there's that. Maybe 4.8-4.9 all core OC is doable, which would elevate Ryzen to 9th gen top end Intel for all purposes. And perhaps even exceed it.
I'm hoping the rumours of a reasonably priced 16-core processor are true. That would give me a good reason to upgrade, something that has been severely lacking lately.
Not nearly enough, even just hinting at us about what was coming would be something.
The video card is just too expensive given that it doesn't have ray tracing and even though there are very, very few games using ray tracing, $700 is too much for a video card that isn't future proof.
Hate to break it to you, but the current RT implementation is far from future proof. Was watching a review of the RTX 2060 talking up the 60fps average, and it was constantly dropping as low as 39 fps... no thanks.
$700 is a bit high, but I wouldn't consider an RTX 2080 TI to be future proof when it comes to Ray Tracing. It's almost too slow right now, so generation improvements to RTX and more Ray Tracing implementation in games will make it so the 2080 TI won't be effective too far beyond 1st gen games with RTX.
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Where's Zen 2 for mobile? Sorry AMD, the old Zen+ another heat monster? The Zen 2 Q2, Q3, late in the market. At this time, Intel will release Sunny Cove with 48 KB of L1 Cache too.
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TristanSDX - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
short summary:Ryzen 3800X will demolish Intel, while Radeon 3800X (Navi extreme die) will demolish Nvidia
Zingam - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Nice but unlikely!Zingam - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
We have yet to see any convincing mobile products.KELYJ84 - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Wrong, 2700u is an EXCELLENT mobile CPU, BETTER than the I7 8550u.. what are you talking about? It games for example CS:GO (50fps) at low settings and I bought a Lenovo with this CPU for my mom that had M.2 slot for $449 dollars from staples and its blazing fast at only 15 watts...Youtube: "CS:GO Ryzen 7 2700U Vega 10 Gameplay Benchmark Test"
you can see game play yourself.
satai - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Better for GPU bound tasks only :-(HStewart - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
And if Intel laptop is using integrated graphicsyomamafor1 - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12709/the-acer-swif...I'm sorry, say what? From the CPU perspective, 2700U definitely is behind the 8550U. From the GPU perspective, 2700U is ahead due to better iGPU.
Not everyone buys a laptop to play games, and in any other metric that doesn't involve the GPU, 2700U is way behind.
imaheadcase - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Did you just use CS:Go as a gaming test on a laptop? lolFreckledTrout - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Someone is a bit optimistic. :) I am certainly excited to see the keynote.bernstein - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
highly unlikely but that would be very nice...Hxx - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Yep and everyone attending gets a rainbow unicornarh2o - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Similar things were said when Ryzen 1800x was introduced. Turns out it was slower than Intel's top offering. Most people said Radeon Vega 64 would demolish Nvidia when it was introduced. Turns out it was slower than Nvidia's top offering. Let's be realistic and wait for benchmarks.Flunk - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
That's not true, the Ryzen 1800x was much faster than Intel's faster consumer chip at the time. It had twice as many cores! That's why Intel has been upping their consumer core count ever since.I mean, you could argue that it wasn't as fast single-core, but that's not what you wrote.
arh2o - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I meant more from a IPC standpoint but I can see your point when it comes to workstation loads. For gaming, well the 7700K crushed the 1700x at similar $ price points.The_Countess - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
even IPC was very similar, with AMD being only a bit behind. intels only real advantage was the higher clockspeed. and that seems to be going away now as well.BurntMyBacon - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
IPC of Zen/Zen+ is roughly on par with Haswell / Broadwell. Which is to say, close but not quite up to Skylake. Fortunately for AMD, Skylake IPC = Kaby Lake IPC = Kaby Lake Refresh IPC = Coffee Lake IPC = Coffee Lake refresh IPC. You are mostly correct in that clock frequencies have been by far the largest obstacle for AMD as of late.TheJian - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
So true, but I still bought the stock for servers recently ;) Just can't tell how far in advance the market will move on the 64 core info. The 32 core just hit, so we'll soon see how many they are selling, but I don't think they'll take much from Intel as they are on a much more level field vs. Intel 14nm++. However, the 64 core will change that on 7nm for at least a while and that's what I'm after in the stock price. $17000 chips that even dumb management can't mess up that badly. Unlike the Navi which they seem to be blowing if rumored prices are true $249 for 1080 perf? Dumb. I'd price it at 1080 until NV lowered prices, that is how you make R&D money for next year. $20-50 extra down in this range would actually produce some REAL net income. But pricing this low just looks like market share grabs that mean nothing without margin as the little guy.NV/Intel can pull that crap to keep you from making income, but the little guy really can't as he can't bleed cash until you're R&D broke. I wish AMD would stop pricing GOOD products to death, along with their bottom line year after year.
HStewart - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
You are forgetting that Intel has Ice Lake - which runs on new 10nm (Intel) which is likely as good or better than AMD 7nm and even more important Sunny Cove architexture is going to have significant impact on performance because of more cache and more importantly - more execution units.Rudde - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
You have to remember that Ice Lake desktop parts will launch ~1 year after Zen 2 Ryzen (3rd gen). Ice Lake will compete against Zen 3 Ryzen (4:th gen).On mobile parts and APUs however, Ice Lake will compete against Zen 2 Ryzen (4:th gen) and might even beat AMD to the market.
I see a situation where AMD gets a lead in desktop (non-APUs), while Intel continues to hold the mobile market.
bananaforscale - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
The "leaks" we've seen so far are unrealistic at the top end. The 3800X *will not* be 16 cores at ~100W TDP and 4.7 GHz.Rudde - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
AMD showed off a 8-core cpu performing identically to a i9-9900k, while running at ~75W. Both cpus were likely running at 4.7GHz all core. Doubling core count while only increasing TDP by a third? I don't think AMD can pull that off. They might be able to hit 4.7GHz at 120W (the TDP that the i9-9900k was running at).haukionkannel - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
Io will eats 4-6W so it leave about 50W to the second soc... Not much, but it is something. Definitely enough for small GPU maybe enough for two 6 core CPUs...In anyway this year will be interesting in CPU department!
Rudde - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
I compared 2700X with 2950X. 2950X has a 71% higher TDP. That would give the 16-core a 128W TDP. Now, it's worth remembering that the 2:nd gen cpus have different clock speeds. Architectural improvements might reduce I/O power draw.I'll admit I got a bit optimistic when I mentioned 120W; 130W is more realistic.
The_Countess - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
The 3800x was listed as 125W, and the 3850x as 135W. in the leaks anyway.That's not unrealistic at all
Opencg - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Nvidia will take a hit when their expensive cards have to go up against navi (a cost lowering design). Any tier that navi sells at will cause other cards in that tier to have to sell for less.Rudde - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
I doubt Nvidia would reduce the prices of RTX cards much if at all. They have features that Navi doesn't. Unless Navi undercuts RTX by a huge margin I don't see Nvidia caring.haukionkannel - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
True... And they can release the rumored 11xx series to those segments where Navi is too strong and leave RTX to all others, where AMD does not have soldiers to feed...mito0815 - Thursday, January 24, 2019 - link
Almost sounds like she wanted to sell her stuff or something.Zingam - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Correction: X86 HAS RYZENIan Cutress - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
(that's the joke)Zingam - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I get the joke but I think the spelling is important.Ian Cutress - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
The misspelling is the joke. It's layered. Like an ogre.Spoelie - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
The onion is a lie!Dodozoid - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Why don't you have an upvote button on Anandtech?BurntMyBacon - Thursday, January 10, 2019 - link
Cakes have layers.sing_electric - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
About that: IIRC, AMD said at launch that it's supposed to be pronounced "Risen," but does anyone say that? Most video reviews online call it "Rye-Zen," which is where things go in my mind. Either way, kind of a dumb name for such a great product: "Risen" has oddly religious overtones, and Rye-zen sounds like the name of a token Asian character in a 90s fighting game designed entirely by white people.Either way, not nearly as appealing of a name as "Core."
bji - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Why so racist?boeush - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
For some reason, I have this association in my mind with "Mr Mojo Risin'" (anagrammatic pseudonym of Jim Morrison, the lead singer of The Doors.)boeush - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Adding to say: it never occurred to me to read it as "risen" before (and I didn't know that's how AMD prefers to pronounce it), but now that you mention it - it does also sound a lot like "reason" ... which is kind of the antidote to oddly religious overtones. :-)sing_electric - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Hoping for concrete info on shipping Zen 2 (Ryzen 3). AMD's said that the first Zen 2 products to ship will be EPYC Rome, but it also seems like those may not ship until Q3, which is way later than many hoped for.The other question is, well, anything about Navi, but I think the absolute best case scenario for AMD and consumers is 2060-level performance at say, $300 and power requirements that don't involve a PSU with an antimatter reactor. (Though they've said so little about Navi that there's a chance we could be surprised.)
brakdoo - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
These official keynotes (unlike the presentations from Intel and Nvidia this year) are rarely used to release many details about new products, It's more about "AMD's vision for 2019" so many readers might be disappointed because it probably lacks details.Tunnah - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I'm genuinely excited for the first time in a long time. Intel has been just trodding along for years in the desktop space, and while Ryzen was great, I've really been wanting a higher clocked chip. If these Zen2 parts are anything like the leaks, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for desktop gaming.yankeeDDL - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I've always been a loyal customer of AMD, but the "dozer" era has been a fiasco. I have a Ryzen 1600 on my PC now and I am quite happy with it.I am really looking forward to the Zen2 and I seriusly hope they can "nick" a bit more market share at Intel. In the end, competition is kind and we will all benefit from it. In fact, I think we already have seen a major shift in Intel's plans, and I doubt it would have happened if Zen was not as competitive as it is.
My hopes: 10~15% IPC increase (Zen2 over Zen) and frequencies close to 5GHz. Do this, and maybe I'll even swap my 1600 for a 3700.
Vayra - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
4.7 Ghz XFR seems to be in the cards, so there's that. Maybe 4.8-4.9 all core OC is doable, which would elevate Ryzen to 9th gen top end Intel for all purposes. And perhaps even exceed it.resizt0r - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Lisa Su, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!Vayra - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
No, no, let her talk a bit first. You're allowed to toss money at the screen while she does.Spoelie - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I'M TRYING BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENINGFreeb!rd - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Surely doesn't look like the Apple Phone "new release" line... those get packed the night before...Flunk - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
I'm hoping the rumours of a reasonably priced 16-core processor are true. That would give me a good reason to upgrade, something that has been severely lacking lately.Spoelie - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Why does Paul need 2 seats?allanmac - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Lisa just one-upped Jen Hsun with a short sleeve black leather jacket.Dribble - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
They are related, the jackets are probably a family identity thing.joms_us - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
But wait somebody said Apple is close to the fastest desktop processor with their A12X. How is that even possible? More like 1/10th of Ryzen 3800X =D0ldman79 - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Ryzen 3000 series info was extremely limited.Not nearly enough, even just hinting at us about what was coming would be something.
The video card is just too expensive given that it doesn't have ray tracing and even though there are very, very few games using ray tracing, $700 is too much for a video card that isn't future proof.
Alistair - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
Hate to break it to you, but the current RT implementation is far from future proof. Was watching a review of the RTX 2060 talking up the 60fps average, and it was constantly dropping as low as 39 fps... no thanks.richough3 - Wednesday, January 9, 2019 - link
$700 is a bit high, but I wouldn't consider an RTX 2080 TI to be future proof when it comes to Ray Tracing. It's almost too slow right now, so generation improvements to RTX and more Ray Tracing implementation in games will make it so the 2080 TI won't be effective too far beyond 1st gen games with RTX.austrianewette - Friday, January 11, 2019 - link
AMD keynote is the best idea in this modern era. this idea goes viral thanks for this information. it lifts your digital life to the sky. https://softhaseb.comDarcey R. Epperly - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
Where's Zen 2 for mobile? Sorry AMD, the old Zen+ another heat monster? The Zen 2 Q2, Q3, late in the market. At this time, Intel will release Sunny Cove with 48 KB of L1 Cache too.