I've waiting for a long time already to assemble a new PC. Was really hoping to see new graphic cards this summeror fall. But no, they want to continue milking miners like nothing happened
I’m in the same boat, but I’m not gonna worry about the next gen once I decide to pull the trigger (July or August). A 1070 or 1080 should be good for 2 years, still, and then I can sell that and upgrade to the next gen (which will hopefully come down in price by then).
Sure, would be nice to get some extra bells and whistles, but coffee lake/ryzen and 1070/1080 will be a huge upgrade for me already (>50% CPU boost, >300% on the GPU). A month or two back I kept looking for GPU news almost daily, and it was just stressing me out. :D
I mean I know it isn't, as it has even more transistors than an Xbox One X Scorpio Engine, but I'd like to learn more, hope for an Anandtech article explaining what Xavier is in more detail! :)
"First Gen Pegasus is Volta, Second Gen with Post-Volta coming"
It gets interestinger and interestinger. The hot chips posting and the GDDR6 production timing make it sound like the next gen. architecture will be released in the next couple of months. But the above quote, the 7 nm production timing, and the timing of AMD's competition suggest the next gen. architecture will be released in 2019.
I don’t expect next gen pricing to be reasonable until 6+ months after the launch, so even if stuff ships in August a more realistic time for buying those GPUs seems to be 2019.
Besides, it’s not like people can’t resell 1070/1080 cards once the next gen comes out if they need the absolute best performance.
Drive PX2 uses a mainstream GPU for the discrete GPUs. They are GP106s I think. The surprising thing is that NVIDIA has any Volta chip that is small enough to be used for the purpose.
It's a waste for NVIDIA to have FP64 capability on the self-driving car GPUs. For NVIDIA, that feature is what mostly defines a GPU as a "compute GPU". The other compute GPUs (the ones that didn't have FP64) have all been GPUs also available in gaming cards. As far as tensor cores, despite what bloggers seem to be posting RTX makes it pretty clear that NVIDIA's mainstream cards will have them. At least eventually, but I think most likely the next generation will have them. I believe the tensor cores are made by implementing an alternate data path for the execution units to use and not by including an entirely new set of execution units. Otherwise, the transistor count just doesn't seem to add up.
I think we can conclude that consumer and HPC/industrial lines have diverged again. Volta has been around for a year with no consumer version, just the GV100 die. Post-Volta for HPC/Industrial is not necessarily the same as the post-Pascal consumer chips.
Crazy impressive. Nvidia is dominating GPU gaming but focused on other things. Intel could must been salivating on these markets, secretly too busy to be bothered with 10nm products. AMD, fighting both, from the left and right but with little cash. They will get it soon enough, they just have to put out 7nm products ASAP
All the sudden I am less annoyed at buying my GTX1080 back in January. I was happy to find one still marked with christmas discounts/sales that they forgot to take down, which brought the price down to retail when they were typically going for $700+ at the time, but I was still annoyed because I was excepting the next gen chips to be launched this summer. Still annoyed that nothing new is coming, but at least my card won't need to be replaced any time soon.
I don't get their strategy unless Nvidia is lying. What is the point of various 4k/120/144 hz displays going into production when no real consumer cards can actually support them?
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HollyDOL - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Lol, your look on that sandwich bag is hillarious :-)Grinnie Jax - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Wait a minute.. So where are the new gaming cards? Did I understand it correctly - they suggest to buy a 2-year old Pascals "ASAP"?Alistair - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Best thing to do is for everyone to refuse to buy, and watch the price plummet. I'm doing my part ;)GTX 1050 is basically the same as the 3 year old 950 now, and sells for more money. 3 years without progress, no buy.
Grinnie Jax - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I've waiting for a long time already to assemble a new PC. Was really hoping to see new graphic cards this summeror fall. But no, they want to continue milking miners like nothing happenedxype - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I’m in the same boat, but I’m not gonna worry about the next gen once I decide to pull the trigger (July or August). A 1070 or 1080 should be good for 2 years, still, and then I can sell that and upgrade to the next gen (which will hopefully come down in price by then).Sure, would be nice to get some extra bells and whistles, but coffee lake/ryzen and 1070/1080 will be a huge upgrade for me already (>50% CPU boost, >300% on the GPU). A month or two back I kept looking for GPU news almost daily, and it was just stressing me out. :D
Alistair - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Why get a 1070 that will lose half its value? Buy a used 1060 for under $200 instead to tide you over.Yojimbo - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Only if you don't already have one...xype - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
"Stop buying our current products because an upgraded version will be out soon." said no company, ever.I’ll wait for amazon prime day to see if there are any cheap 1080s on offer. Should be plenty for the next 1–3 years.
Spunjji - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Fair point there!jordanclock - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I know of at least one company that said that and they're no longer in business.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
Alistair - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Hope to learn more about Xavier. Right now looks like a cheap arm cpu matched to a gtx 1050 for 1300 dollars...Alistair - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I mean I know it isn't, as it has even more transistors than an Xbox One X Scorpio Engine, but I'd like to learn more, hope for an Anandtech article explaining what Xavier is in more detail! :)Ian Cutress - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
It's a custom ARM architecture design with a 10-wide superscalar core. That's super wide.Alistair - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
So it seems to be much more than a doubled Tegra X1 in that respect!Yojimbo - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
"First Gen Pegasus is Volta, Second Gen with Post-Volta coming"It gets interestinger and interestinger. The hot chips posting and the GDDR6 production timing make it sound like the next gen. architecture will be released in the next couple of months. But the above quote, the 7 nm production timing, and the timing of AMD's competition suggest the next gen. architecture will be released in 2019.
Yojimbo - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Oh, "Q: When is the next GeForce? A: I'll invite you. There will be lunch. But it's a long time."August is not a long time, is it?
xype - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Maybe it is if you "live in the present"? :DI don’t expect next gen pricing to be reasonable until 6+ months after the launch, so even if stuff ships in August a more realistic time for buying those GPUs seems to be 2019.
Besides, it’s not like people can’t resell 1070/1080 cards once the next gen comes out if they need the absolute best performance.
Dribble - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
For the last few gens the launch price has stayed the price for pretty well the whole life of the card.Qwertilot - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
The next generation pegasus will use their next generation compute gpu's - those would be likely to jump to 7nm much earlier than the gaming ones.Yojimbo - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Drive PX2 uses a mainstream GPU for the discrete GPUs. They are GP106s I think. The surprising thing is that NVIDIA has any Volta chip that is small enough to be used for the purpose.It's a waste for NVIDIA to have FP64 capability on the self-driving car GPUs. For NVIDIA, that feature is what mostly defines a GPU as a "compute GPU". The other compute GPUs (the ones that didn't have FP64) have all been GPUs also available in gaming cards. As far as tensor cores, despite what bloggers seem to be posting RTX makes it pretty clear that NVIDIA's mainstream cards will have them. At least eventually, but I think most likely the next generation will have them. I believe the tensor cores are made by implementing an alternate data path for the execution units to use and not by including an entirely new set of execution units. Otherwise, the transistor count just doesn't seem to add up.
edzieba - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I think we can conclude that consumer and HPC/industrial lines have diverged again. Volta has been around for a year with no consumer version, just the GV100 die. Post-Volta for HPC/Industrial is not necessarily the same as the post-Pascal consumer chips.ToTTenTranz - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
"Q: When is the next GeForce? A: I'll invite you. There will be lunch. But it's a long time."There will be lunch? So.. nvidia is going to present the new generation of graphics cards during a lunch?
Will there be cake?
Railgun - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
The cake is a lie.zodiacfml - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Crazy impressive. Nvidia is dominating GPU gaming but focused on other things.Intel could must been salivating on these markets, secretly too busy to be bothered with 10nm products.
AMD, fighting both, from the left and right but with little cash. They will get it soon enough, they just have to put out 7nm products ASAP
CaedenV - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
All the sudden I am less annoyed at buying my GTX1080 back in January. I was happy to find one still marked with christmas discounts/sales that they forgot to take down, which brought the price down to retail when they were typically going for $700+ at the time, but I was still annoyed because I was excepting the next gen chips to be launched this summer.Still annoyed that nothing new is coming, but at least my card won't need to be replaced any time soon.
beisat - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
And my GTX970 keeps working along...nothing new here boys and girls *yawn*sn0mm1s - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
I don't get their strategy unless Nvidia is lying. What is the point of various 4k/120/144 hz displays going into production when no real consumer cards can actually support them?haukionkannel - Monday, June 4, 2018 - link
Well, put two 1080ti in sli and you can get quite speed when running in the lowist graphic settings!maroon1 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
You could play counter strike on 4K 120Hz