I don't really understand why manufacturers go for HDMI ports especially in office environments. DP ports are present in virtually every modern office machine. HDMI is more a staple of home/media usage.
I think HDMI is overtaking DP as the standard video connector. It certainly seems like that's the case anyway as most modern computer hardware has HDMI, but DP isn't always a sure thing. Personally, I don't care which port emerges at the standard interface as long as ONE of them ultimately does so. Competing standards just means there's a larger number of non-universal connectors that require their own cable types that I have to deal with.
But don't forget that most office projector setups will remain VGA for the foreseeable future because long cable runs don't play nicely with either digital connectors! So keep those annoying [your digital standard here] to VGA adapters handy!
VGA still has some life in it at the office for compatibility and cost reasons. And that's the clear hint that this is for office environments. If your home computer only has VGA it's probably cheaper than the monitor. But if you check HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, etc. it's obvious that the vast majority of models in their business lines have DP, full size or mini.
That is mostly because of attenuation of the signal over distance on the copper cable, it is the same issue that plagues various forms of DSL on copper pairs.
You can actually get repeaters so that you can almost extend your Digital cable almost indefinitely.
What makes you say that? My current laptop only has mDP, the MacBooks are all mDP as well, my GTX1080 has one DVI, one HDMI, but three DP. Even my much older card from 5 years ago had a majority of DP.
For TVs, HDMI is king yes, but for computers DisplayPort is more flexible (daisy-chaining) and convenient (locking plug, commonplace mDP support).
I got a pc a year ago from work that came with no HDMI ports, just DP. Most brick and mortar retail stores don't stock DP cables and almost none have DP to HDMI ones. When traveling it was a pain. I finally ordered a DP to HDMI via CDW. I now have a laptop with HDMI plus miniDP so I know I can plugin to almost any projector or monitor made in the last 7 years.
Because the industry is full of awesome and really cares about dummies like you. As you have repeated time after time, "the industry knows best". So what are you whining about LOL
Questions tend to end with a question mark. It was not a question, it was an self-observation of your personal lack of understanding. Clueless as usual, even regarding your own actions LOL. You don't need to wonder, after all, you do know that the industry knows best. HDMI is the logical choice, which is why it is immensely more wide-spread than DP, the latter of which is actually completely missing from many products, including premium tier. With its inferior bandwidth and licensing fees HDMI is clearly a better choice than the largely royalty free and higher bandwidth DP interface. Do'h!
So where's your answer to my "clueless question"? Ever wonder why everybody take a piss at every one of your comments? No, it's not because you're a misunderstood genius, it's because the discussion would miss absolutely nothing of value with you gone. Nobody knows everything but you certainly know less than most as shown by this simple discussion.
You're never there to answer a difficult question or even to ask it. Just for some cheap irony (and you're not even that good at that) or trying hard to sound smarter than you are. Just stringing along a few buzz words and technical terms and in the end you still don't make sense (maybe it's that misunderstood genius misconception again).
And because I see you like to go off on rants, how about that 5.25" hard drive you invented? Or that media content server with a typical load of 2 users loading 2 pictures simultaneously? Or the Windows 10 that will never be used?
So, do you *know* why the AOC P2779VC doesn't feature a DP port? Or are you just going to keep circling the drain but never go down? ;)
Because DP is clearly the better choice. They don't mind that HDMI would cost them more because of licensing fees, you will pay for all of this and more. The higher the BOM is, the higher profit margin they can ask for the product. HDMI is not the best choice for you, but it is the best choice for them, because they are only in it for the money.
The industry cannot afford to allow consumers to rise their standards and expectations, people are cattle for working and milking. If they give you the better DP interface on every product today and for less money, eventually they will have to give the fabled 5.25" HDD as well. And why waste money on researching groundbreaking new tech when as long as they all have a mutual implicit agreement, they can keep milking people with the same old cr@p, barely increment it rather than making quantum leaps. To hell with efficiency, convenience and environmental impact. Those are not important factors, the industry has a long history on wasting precious and finite resources on criminally useless products, just to milk idiots with them.
For example, it is current technologically possible to have cars using 1/4 of the fuel of today's most economic cars, and 10x times safer than the safest high end luxury vehicles of today. And it has been technologically possible for at least 30 years. And the cost would be much lower, to purchase and to service. But the industry will not be bringing this, not 30 years ago when it became possible, not today, not in the near future, not ever! Because it is there for the simple purpose of making money. it is not about building better cars, it is about making money, so cars will never ever be as good as they can be, they will keep barely improving the same old stuff and as long as the entire industry does that, nobody will object or even have higher expectations, because people like you don't know any better than what's thrown at them. Even such "innovators" like Musk produce what can only be regarded as barely incremental and mediocre innovations, nothing ground breaking, nothing paradigm shifting, although it is entirely possible, and with everything being so mediocre there is actually a huge room for improvement in practically every facet of contemporary life.
5.25" Hard Drive? I didn't realize we were going back to 1993.
I'm really interested to know how you get a car that is cheaper, 10x safer, and 4x more efficient than any leaders of their respective categories all at the same time. Does it take 2 minutes to get to 60?
I'd be more concerned about how stable its stand is. I've got an AOC E2251Swdn; and the non-adjustable stand on it is a wobbly lump of fail. This one doesn't appear to be height adjustable; but does it at least have tilt or minor rotate adjustments? I've had to shim my pile of books monitor stand with scraps of cardboard to angle the screen correctly to align with my other displays.
neither would I. OTOH I've known coworkers who scored 24" 1920x1200 monitors (back when they were a premium option) and then ran them at 1280x1024 to make the text bigger (WinXP text scaling was a dumpster fire squared and cubed). The lower DPI wouldn't be a problem for them especially since win10 still has application specific DPI scaling problems even with high profile applications (*cough*Chrome tooltips*cough*).
Agreed. 1080p is fine for a solid quality 27" monitor for video/gaming purposes, but higher resolution will almost always be preferred for the office. 90% of home users are likely gaming on cards below a 1070, and there are a lot of games that aren't going to run at 1440p or above with higher settings. VSR and DSR can help give some of the benefits of higher resolution rendering as well when there's graphics power to spare.
I know many people at my work (multi$Bln corporate) that would give their right nut for one of these. Then again they are sitting on dual 19" 1280x1024 monitors from 10 yrs ago.
Most of them would change the scaling to 150% in win7 though..
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close - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
I don't really understand why manufacturers go for HDMI ports especially in office environments. DP ports are present in virtually every modern office machine. HDMI is more a staple of home/media usage.BrokenCrayons - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
I think HDMI is overtaking DP as the standard video connector. It certainly seems like that's the case anyway as most modern computer hardware has HDMI, but DP isn't always a sure thing. Personally, I don't care which port emerges at the standard interface as long as ONE of them ultimately does so. Competing standards just means there's a larger number of non-universal connectors that require their own cable types that I have to deal with.3DoubleD - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
But don't forget that most office projector setups will remain VGA for the foreseeable future because long cable runs don't play nicely with either digital connectors! So keep those annoying [your digital standard here] to VGA adapters handy!close - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
VGA still has some life in it at the office for compatibility and cost reasons. And that's the clear hint that this is for office environments. If your home computer only has VGA it's probably cheaper than the monitor. But if you check HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, etc. it's obvious that the vast majority of models in their business lines have DP, full size or mini.StevoLincolnite - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
That is mostly because of attenuation of the signal over distance on the copper cable, it is the same issue that plagues various forms of DSL on copper pairs.You can actually get repeaters so that you can almost extend your Digital cable almost indefinitely.
Friendly0Fire - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
What makes you say that? My current laptop only has mDP, the MacBooks are all mDP as well, my GTX1080 has one DVI, one HDMI, but three DP. Even my much older card from 5 years ago had a majority of DP.For TVs, HDMI is king yes, but for computers DisplayPort is more flexible (daisy-chaining) and convenient (locking plug, commonplace mDP support).
Stan11003 - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
I got a pc a year ago from work that came with no HDMI ports, just DP. Most brick and mortar retail stores don't stock DP cables and almost none have DP to HDMI ones. When traveling it was a pain. I finally ordered a DP to HDMI via CDW. I now have a laptop with HDMI plus miniDP so I know I can plugin to almost any projector or monitor made in the last 7 years.ddriver - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Because the industry is full of awesome and really cares about dummies like you. As you have repeated time after time, "the industry knows best". So what are you whining about LOLclose - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
That was a question not a complaint. Missed again, have you?ddriver - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Questions tend to end with a question mark. It was not a question, it was an self-observation of your personal lack of understanding. Clueless as usual, even regarding your own actions LOL. You don't need to wonder, after all, you do know that the industry knows best. HDMI is the logical choice, which is why it is immensely more wide-spread than DP, the latter of which is actually completely missing from many products, including premium tier. With its inferior bandwidth and licensing fees HDMI is clearly a better choice than the largely royalty free and higher bandwidth DP interface. Do'h!close - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
So where's your answer to my "clueless question"? Ever wonder why everybody take a piss at every one of your comments? No, it's not because you're a misunderstood genius, it's because the discussion would miss absolutely nothing of value with you gone. Nobody knows everything but you certainly know less than most as shown by this simple discussion.You're never there to answer a difficult question or even to ask it. Just for some cheap irony (and you're not even that good at that) or trying hard to sound smarter than you are. Just stringing along a few buzz words and technical terms and in the end you still don't make sense (maybe it's that misunderstood genius misconception again).
And because I see you like to go off on rants, how about that 5.25" hard drive you invented? Or that media content server with a typical load of 2 users loading 2 pictures simultaneously? Or the Windows 10 that will never be used?
So, do you *know* why the AOC P2779VC doesn't feature a DP port? Or are you just going to keep circling the drain but never go down? ;)
ddriver - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
Because DP is clearly the better choice. They don't mind that HDMI would cost them more because of licensing fees, you will pay for all of this and more. The higher the BOM is, the higher profit margin they can ask for the product. HDMI is not the best choice for you, but it is the best choice for them, because they are only in it for the money.The industry cannot afford to allow consumers to rise their standards and expectations, people are cattle for working and milking. If they give you the better DP interface on every product today and for less money, eventually they will have to give the fabled 5.25" HDD as well. And why waste money on researching groundbreaking new tech when as long as they all have a mutual implicit agreement, they can keep milking people with the same old cr@p, barely increment it rather than making quantum leaps. To hell with efficiency, convenience and environmental impact. Those are not important factors, the industry has a long history on wasting precious and finite resources on criminally useless products, just to milk idiots with them.
For example, it is current technologically possible to have cars using 1/4 of the fuel of today's most economic cars, and 10x times safer than the safest high end luxury vehicles of today. And it has been technologically possible for at least 30 years. And the cost would be much lower, to purchase and to service. But the industry will not be bringing this, not 30 years ago when it became possible, not today, not in the near future, not ever! Because it is there for the simple purpose of making money. it is not about building better cars, it is about making money, so cars will never ever be as good as they can be, they will keep barely improving the same old stuff and as long as the entire industry does that, nobody will object or even have higher expectations, because people like you don't know any better than what's thrown at them. Even such "innovators" like Musk produce what can only be regarded as barely incremental and mediocre innovations, nothing ground breaking, nothing paradigm shifting, although it is entirely possible, and with everything being so mediocre there is actually a huge room for improvement in practically every facet of contemporary life.
maximumGPU - Wednesday, December 7, 2016 - link
wow that was really funny, thanks for the smiles.Inteli - Thursday, December 8, 2016 - link
5.25" Hard Drive? I didn't realize we were going back to 1993.I'm really interested to know how you get a car that is cheaper, 10x safer, and 4x more efficient than any leaders of their respective categories all at the same time. Does it take 2 minutes to get to 60?
jordanclock - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
The invisible hand of the market, eh?nathanddrews - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Quick charge or regular charge?jordanclock - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
As far as I know, Qi for smartphones and tablets is only 5W. Samsung's Fast Charge for wireless is proprietary and approximately 10W.MadAd - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Forget the phone, all thats needed here is a wireless chargeable mouse and keyboard and we're good to go.DanNeely - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
I'd be more concerned about how stable its stand is. I've got an AOC E2251Swdn; and the non-adjustable stand on it is a wobbly lump of fail. This one doesn't appear to be height adjustable; but does it at least have tilt or minor rotate adjustments? I've had to shim my pile of books monitor stand with scraps of cardboard to angle the screen correctly to align with my other displays.eek2121 - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Surprised there are no comments on the crazy low res panel. 1080p on a 27"? I wouldn't pay $199 for that.DanNeely - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
neither would I. OTOH I've known coworkers who scored 24" 1920x1200 monitors (back when they were a premium option) and then ran them at 1280x1024 to make the text bigger (WinXP text scaling was a dumpster fire squared and cubed). The lower DPI wouldn't be a problem for them especially since win10 still has application specific DPI scaling problems even with high profile applications (*cough*Chrome tooltips*cough*).jsntech - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Read my mind. 82 PPI in 2016 at any price is tragic.Dizoja86 - Monday, December 5, 2016 - link
Agreed. 1080p is fine for a solid quality 27" monitor for video/gaming purposes, but higher resolution will almost always be preferred for the office. 90% of home users are likely gaming on cards below a 1070, and there are a lot of games that aren't going to run at 1440p or above with higher settings. VSR and DSR can help give some of the benefits of higher resolution rendering as well when there's graphics power to spare.doggface - Tuesday, December 6, 2016 - link
I know many people at my work (multi$Bln corporate) that would give their right nut for one of these. Then again they are sitting on dual 19" 1280x1024 monitors from 10 yrs ago.Most of them would change the scaling to 150% in win7 though..