@Chaitanya Most likely it'll compete with the SD625 & Mediatek P20, especially if the GPU is fairly competent. The SD410 & other 4xx are not in the same class, it also doesn't help that they're on an inferior 28nm prcoess.
This very much competes with SD 4xx imho (the 7870 is already strictly inferior to the SD 625). You are however right this should outclass the SD 410. But the SD 430/435 (which both have 8 A53 cores too and much faster gpus than the SD 410) should be quite decent competitors, albeit you are correct the 7570 might have some advantage (especially wrt power consumption) due to 14nm manufacturing.
i dont know about the power consumption.. all signs point to samsung's 14nm being power hungery. see RX480, or Apple A9. Definitely not as good as tsmc 16nm in power and thermals
The difference for A9 is relatively small and wouldn't matter for a low end SoC. Regarding the RX480: there's nothing to compare it too (to judge the process). It is less power efficient than Pascal for sure, but so were AMDs 28 nm TSMC chips compared to nVidias 28 nm TSMC chips.
"Today's announcement seems to further dispell the doom & gloom over FinFET manufacturing cost"
The cost per transistor may have gone up a little, but some of that could be counteracted by needing fewer of the higher performing transistors to reach a certain performance and power efficiency target.
Another problem with the newer nodes is increasing design complexity, increasing the cost per design. I can imagine Samsung to handle this well and with better tools than at older nodes, since they've already designed somewhat similar chips. There's got to be some synergies.
carrier aggregation makes a big difference in burst download speeds, and overall bandwidth. It even helps when the network is congested and your getting slower speeds. I believe it started with Cat6 or better because i had to beg cradlepoint to upgrade their $1500 LTE routers that were still using Cat4.
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Chaitanya - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Looks like this might compete with the Snapdragon 410 in product stack.R0H1T - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
@Chaitanya Most likely it'll compete with the SD625 & Mediatek P20, especially if the GPU is fairly competent. The SD410 & other 4xx are not in the same class, it also doesn't help that they're on an inferior 28nm prcoess.mczak - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
This very much competes with SD 4xx imho (the 7870 is already strictly inferior to the SD 625).You are however right this should outclass the SD 410. But the SD 430/435 (which both have 8 A53 cores too and much faster gpus than the SD 410) should be quite decent competitors, albeit you are correct the 7570 might have some advantage (especially wrt power consumption) due to 14nm manufacturing.
Morawka - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
i dont know about the power consumption.. all signs point to samsung's 14nm being power hungery. see RX480, or Apple A9. Definitely not as good as tsmc 16nm in power and thermalsMrSpadge - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link
The difference for A9 is relatively small and wouldn't matter for a low end SoC. Regarding the RX480: there's nothing to compare it too (to judge the process). It is less power efficient than Pascal for sure, but so were AMDs 28 nm TSMC chips compared to nVidias 28 nm TSMC chips.muddling - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
No, SD410. Both are A53. SD625 is A57 (I think...) SD650 is A72.So right there, it is a SD410 competitor, not SD625.
The ISP matches up to the SD410.
The GPU distinctly lags. SD410 at 1920x1080 vs this at 1280x800.
So I think at best, it competes with the SD410, and likely lags on the graphics side.
Achtung_BG - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
First mid range finfets SoC is Kirin 650.MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
"Today's announcement seems to further dispell the doom & gloom over FinFET manufacturing cost"The cost per transistor may have gone up a little, but some of that could be counteracted by needing fewer of the higher performing transistors to reach a certain performance and power efficiency target.
Another problem with the newer nodes is increasing design complexity, increasing the cost per design. I can imagine Samsung to handle this well and with better tools than at older nodes, since they've already designed somewhat similar chips. There's got to be some synergies.
jjj - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
This is a mistake ,they need Cat 7 even here and without that the value and usefulness is rather low.A5 - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Cat 4 can do 150/50.There is no current need for Cat 7 for an SoC that is designed for sub-$100 phones and IoT devices.
Notmyusualid - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
Tell it like it is!Morawka - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
carrier aggregation makes a big difference in burst download speeds, and overall bandwidth. It even helps when the network is congested and your getting slower speeds. I believe it started with Cat6 or better because i had to beg cradlepoint to upgrade their $1500 LTE routers that were still using Cat4.muddling - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Exactly. This is fine for inexpensive phones and IoT. You wish your wired broadband at home was that good.zeeBomb - Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - link
I know this question may sound like a broken record...but will we see another deep dive?MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - link
Of course. But for this SoC? Probably not.. why would anyone be interested in that?Krysto - Thursday, September 1, 2016 - link
Why are we still talking about A53? Shouldn't we be talking about A35 or A32 by now?Meteor2 - Wednesday, September 7, 2016 - link
It takes about two years to go from an ARM design announcement to shipping products. They announce very early.