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  • outlw6669 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Did anyone else notice that the WX 4100 is a PCIe 8x card?
    I highly doubt there will be a performance impact due to this decision, but I bet there will be a BOM impact.
    Smart thinking AMD!
  • ddriver - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    AMD's guide to making a "professional" product - lower clock speed, disable shader cores, jack up the price.
  • testbug00 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    you mean the exact same as Nvidia. Except the price isn't jacked up as high?
  • ddriver - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    It might be for those quadro's nvidia released recently, but if you look at their entire portfolio, they actually have products which are different silicon, that is NOT crippled in terms of FP64 performance, uses ECC memory and MORE of it and all that good stuff.

    And hey, if I wanted to say "nvidia is better" that's what I would have said straight away. Have people become so dim that any criticism for AMD is automatically interpreted as nvidia promotion?

    And surely, nvidia PRO product's value is even worse than that of AMD, not because AMD are saints, but because they are forced in a position to be more giving. There is nothing AMD would like more than to be able to afford to be as nvidia ;)
  • extide - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    It's the same silicon (for both vendors) but sometimes yeah the FP64 stuff is fused off in a Geforce, but not a Quadro, and AMD does it also -- Hawaii based Radeon is 1/8th FP64, while Firepro was 1/2 or 1/4, (I can't remember)
  • catavalon21 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    It may not be "fused off" in a Quadro, but it's severely limited. P5000 and P6000 FP64 are reported to be a meager 1/32 of FP32. If the PRO cards aren't getting decent double precision, is there anything that does?

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10516/nvidia-announc...
  • outlw6669 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Erm, this is how all Pro cards are; red or green.

    Lower clock speeds for stability, higher price to offset extra software optimizations and lower volume.
    Disabling shaders allow both companies to hit lower power targets while using higher voltage (to ensure rock solid stability) when compared to their consumer brethren.
  • Geranium - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    At lest they have higher FP16 performance then those new $5000 Quadro. And if I am not wrong those Quadro has less FP16 performance than most highend SoC class gpus.
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Good catch. From leaked pictures it looks like the same is true of the RX460. Even halo cards rarely take more than a 1 or 2% hit from an x8 slot so the performance impact on a low end card like this should be negligible. OTOH assuming Polaris 11 was also intended to try and recover marketshare in the laptop market being able to knock a watt or two off of idle operating load by cutting the number of PCIe lanes would be a decent bump to battery life.
  • ddriver - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Might have been a good idea to also make it shorter so it can actually fit in regular x8 slots which are not cut in the end.
  • extide - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Yeah, it is optimized for laptops, and in a power constrained product, going x8 would be a smart move, and it's more than enough b/w for the perf level of that chip anyways.
  • prime2515103 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Since when did AMD start using CUDA cores? ha...
  • WorldWithoutMadness - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Since Nvidia just bought AMD just now or AMD licensed Nvidia core just now or Ryan copy paste too much just now.
  • Geranium - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    AMD doing the same thing what Intel did in Android SoC. They are translating CUDA code into OpenCL code.
  • Ariknowsbest - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    You have CUDA cores in the comperision table.
  • Dobson123 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    The COMPERISION is strong with this one
  • eddieobscurant - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Why polaris 11 clocks are so low? Where is the nvidia 1060 review?
  • ImSpartacus - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Yeah, that's slightly concerning.
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Because it's strongly power optimized.
  • jardows2 - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Would a card like this be useful in photo or video editing? Or are these going to be better for higher level compute tasks?
  • evilspoons - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    This is more like "I run SolidWorks/AutoCAD/etc and I want it to not crash or look janky".

    I put a whole bunch of W4300s in systems at my last job as SolidWorks workstations, they were much faster than anything Nvidia had at even remotely the same price point.
  • extide - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Not any more-so than a consumer card.
  • hamiltenor - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Probably a variant of these cards will make their way into an updated Mac Pro? Apple seems unwilling to use nVidia cards which I estimate cut into their margins too much.
  • Geranium - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Apple may use those because Apple use OpenCL and AMD has good driver and support for OpenCL. On the other hand NVIDIA don't have latest support for OpenCL.
  • extide - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Those single-slot coolers sure are sexy!
  • Geranium - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    Ryan,
    isn't GCN 1.2 now called GCN 3?
  • Ryan Smith - Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - link

    AMD doesn't really use it externally, and since we've used 1.2 for so long, I'm opting to favor consistency instead.
  • Dark Man - Wednesday, July 27, 2016 - link

    Polaris 10 with 1792 cores ? Only 28 working CU on a 36 CU design ?

    I started to think about the yield of GF 14 nm process ... AFAIK, RX 470 would have 2048 cores or 32 working CU. Is there something incorrect ?
  • Macpoedel - Wednesday, July 27, 2016 - link

    Seeing that low profile, single slot cooler on that WX4100 makes me want it in my HTPC. Or preferably the RX460 would have a similar cooler, but I'm afraid it'll be dual slot (like the GTX750). I know I can have HEVC decoding and HDMI 2.0 without a dedicated GPU, but it would be nice to have some gaming performance.
  • mikeztm - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link

    What is that small connector on the WX5100/7100?
    Looks like a expansion card connector.

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