AMD's Ryzen 9 6900HS Rembrandt Benchmarked: Zen3+ Power and Performance Scalingby Dr. Ian Cutress on March 1, 2022 9:30 AM EST
Earlier this year, AMD announced an update to its mobile processor line that we weren’t expecting quite so soon. The company updated its Ryzen 5000 Mobile processors, which are based around Zen3 and Vega cores, to Ryzen 6000 Mobile, which use Zen3+ and RDNA2 cores. The jump from Vega to RDNA2 on the graphics side was an element we had been expecting at some point, but the emergence of a Zen3+ core was very intriguing. AMD gave us a small pre-brief, saying that the core is very similar to Zen3, but with ~50 new power management features and techniques inside. With the first laptops based on these chips now shipping, we were sent one of the flagship models for a quick test.
AMD Ryzen 6000 Mobile
Zen3+ and RDNA2 Equals Rembrandt
Everyone loves a good codename, and the silicon behind these new mobile processors is called Rembrandt, following AMD’s cadence of naming its mobile processors after painters. Built on the TSMC N6 process node, Rembrandt is one of the first products to use this node enhancement and get some additional voltage/frequency benefits of the updated process. Featuring 8 Zen3+ compute cores and up to 12 RDNA2 compute units for graphics, the monolithic Rembrandt die is designed to scale all the way across AMD’s notebook portfolio, from thin-and-light notebooks down at 15 W all the way up to mobile workstation-level performance at 65 W.
|AMD Ryzen 6000 Mobile CPUs
'Rembrandt' on 6nm
|Ryzen 9 6980HX||8/16||3300||5000||12||2400||45W+|
|Ryzen 9 6980HS||8/16||3300||5000||12||2400||35W|
|Ryzen 9 6900HX||8/16||3300||4900||12||2400||45W+|
|Ryzen 9 6900HS||8/16||3300||4900||12||2400||35W|
|Ryzen 7 6800H||8/16||3200||4700||12||2200||45W|
|Ryzen 7 6800HS||8/16||3200||4700||12||2200||35W|
|Ryzen 5 6600H||6/12||3300||4500||6||1900||45W|
|Ryzen 5 6600HS||6/12||3300||4500||6||1900||35W|
|Ryzen 7 6800U||8/16||2700||4700||12||2200||15-28W|
|Ryzen 5 6600U||6/12||2900||4500||6||1900||15-28W|
|12 CU RDNA2 Graphics is marketed as Radeon 680M
6 CU RDNA2 Graphics is marketed as Radeon 660M
For our testing today, we have the Ryzen 9 6900HS, which is in the top tier product line but designed to be a power-optimized product that AMD uses with select partners based on a collaborative design approach. Anything with the HS at the end means that AMD has been involved in the planning, design, and optimization – the goal here is that AMD wants the HS parts, which have been selected from production with the best performance-to-power ratio, as showcasing the Ryzen brand at its best.
For this new core to move from 7nm Zen3 to 6nm Zen3+, a number of new additions to the microarchitecture have been made. Normally we consider this to be either a simple manufacturing optimization due to the process node change, or something more fundamental to the core when there’s a microarchitectural change. In this case, AMD hasn’t really discussed any specific improvements coming from the smaller process node, instead focusing on improvements made to the SoC as a whole. At the announcement of the hardware, the headline was ’50 improvements relating to power’, and with the hardware launched we now have insight into what a number of these are.
Fundamentally, the base CPU core is the same Zen3 microarchitecture as the previous generation. Clock for clock, AMD is expecting Zen3+ to behave the same as Zen3 in raw performance output/IPC, with the changes being solely at the power level. Fundamentally AMD is saying that a number of the libraries used in the design were power-optimized, while still keeping a high-frequency capability. Normally a power-optimized design kit offers low power and low area at the expense of frequency, so in reality AMD is finding what it considers to be a more optimal point in that spectrum.
AMD highlighted the following as ‘microarchitecture’ enhancements:
- Per-Thread Power/Clock Control: Rather than being per core, each thread can carry requirements
- Leakage: Optimized process and design elements updated for better efficiency
- Delayed L3 Initialization: Removes the need to wait for L3 to fully wake from an idle state, making it asynchronous
- Peak Current Control: Better control of power ramp from idle to peak to reduce stress and save power
- Cache Dirtiness Counter: If cache misses are high (workload is bigger than L3), stay in a high power state even when low power is requested to reduce overall power use
- CPPC Per Thread: Previously the OS was only aware of workloads per core, now is aware per-thread for finer control
- PC6 Restore: Hardware-assisted wake-from-sleep for quick response
- Selective SCFCTP Save: Before waking up cores, refer to utilization before PC6 sleep
- Enhanced CC1 State: Better sleep control when core is idle
With this being a mobile chip, a lot of context here is on power saving and responsiveness when in-and-out of sleep. The concept of keeping cores at a low idle power, or moving to sleep when idle, is all in aid of enabling a device with a long(er) battery life. For example, if a core is idle for a few seconds, would it be better to put in a sleep state? This isn’t just idle frequency, but actually turning parts of the core off in a specific order – and then how and when those parts are turned back on, which has a power cost all of its own – ultimately leading to working smarter in order to conserve power usage.
On the SoC side of power matters, AMD is showcasing that Rembrandt has better control over the internal Infinity Fabric power states, better global ‘almost off’ power states, support for LPDDR5, DRAM self-refresh, panel self refresh support, support for sub-1W panels, and accelerators to help come back out of sleep states, some of which we’ve mentioned.
On the firmware and software side, AMD is aiming to make Rembrandt a better transitional experience from being connected to power to being a mobile platform. Normally Windows relies on internal power plans for ‘Balanced’, ‘High Performance’, or ‘Battery Saver’ – sometimes OEMs even have their own unique power plans on top of their own software. From AMD’s perspective, they want users to have the benefits of both High Performance and Battery Saver without having to manually adjust these power plans. Which brings us to AMD’s new Power Management Framework, or PMF.
PMF is an extension of a lot of previous notebook inputs, outputs, and controls – taking data from sensors such as skin temperature, but also SoC power, OS workloads, display information, noise profiles, then converting that into a ramping power profile that can offer anything from battery saver to high performance on a sliding scale.
The key here is that graph – normal Windows offerings have those individual three points, whereas AMD Rembrandt, on select optimized systems, will enable by default a scalable profile that will move up and down the graph depending on external factors. When speaking to AMD, they said that this would be baked into the firmware and automatically enabled when running in the Windows-standard Balanced Profile. User can manually select other profiles to force into those modes, but Balanced Profile will be the PMF sliding scale.
Users will not be able to disable PMF, but more than that, AMD states that it is up to the system vendor to announce if they are using PMF or not. Given that it's likely that few (if any) of them will bother to make that disclosure, I think this is somewhat of a frustrating decision – we can’t test this without a lever to disable it, whereas end-users won’t know if their system even has it or not.
Finally, AMD lists its updates for Rembrandt in the display power section of the chip. As we move to more efficient processors coupled with high-resolution, high refresh rate panels, the power consumption of the panel is becoming a major factor. But part of it is down to the SoC inside.
We’ve already mentioned Panel Self Refresh, the ability for a panel to update only the section that has actually changed from frame to frame, but AMD is saying that they can also do this with Freesync enabled. On top of this, Freesync allows the refresh rate during video fullscreen playback to be reduced to the native framerate of the video (e.g. 23.976Hz), thus saving power. The sub 1-watt panel support means that AMD has a list of validated panel vendors that can provide lower power panels (typically 1080p at 300 nits) for long battery life designs. Physically the new chip also implements new SVI3 regulators, which AMD claims provides a faster and more discrete control over the voltage required from the chip.
On top of this is the graphics engine itself, Rembrant moves from a Vega 8 solution to an RDNA2 solution, offering more performance and better efficiency. This extends to AMD A+A Advantage support as well, offering advanced power control when paired with an AMD discrete graphics solution.
In short, everything about the new chip is about control: going to sleep, and waking from sleep as quickly as possible.
15W vs 28W
Overall, we’re getting to a point in the laptop space where the vendors are now competing against each other on actual power consumption. Historically we would talk about U-series mobile processors at 15-28 watts, and then H-series at 45-65+ watts. In 2022, Intel has introduced P-series at 28 watts instead, and both companies are stating that due to improvements in design, the chassis that used to fit a 15-watt processor can now enable a 28-watt version.
As a result, we’re seeing some really awkward comparisons if you go by official numbers. Both AMD and Intel are comparing last-generation 15-watt solutions to current-generation 28-watt solutions, or comparing 28 watt systems today against equivalent designs that housed other processors before. Be careful when reading those first-party data points. That being said, both companies also want to exhibit their notebook processors at their best, so we end up with the higher-powered H series anyway in some nice chonky designs. It won’t be until reviewers can get their hands on the regular, run-of-the-mill U/P series hardware that they'll be able test like-for-like in the same way.
Our Review Unit
For the initial review, AMD shipped us the ASUS Zephyrus G14, one of the recent generation flagship models that are updated year-on-year with the latest hardware. We still have the G14 that was shipped with the Ryzen 4000 Mobile (Zen 2) series, although for the Ryzen 5000, AMD went with the ASUS Flow X13, which is a more ultraportable design. The G14 is still in that bracket with a slightly larger screen, slightly beefier discrete graphics, and a bit more battery. There’s even an AniMe Matrix display on the back.
AMD has paired each of these designs with the HS-branded processors. The HS models are tuned and optimized parts that AMD co-calibrates inside flagship notebook designs with its partners, so it becomes the obvious choice for AMD to sample laptops based on these chips for each launch for review. Not only that, depending on the thermal design of the laptop, the actual power setting provided by the vendor can change based on the design. We’ve had the following in for test:
- Ryzen 9 6900HS in an ASUS Zephyrus G14 (45W Default, 65W Turbo) + RX 6800S GPU
- Ryzen 9 5980HS in an ASUS Flow X13 (15W Default, 35W Turbo) + GTX 1650
- Ryzen 9 4900HS in an ASUS Zephyrus G14 (35W Turbo) + GTX 2060 GPU
As with most laptop processor launches, despite the rated TDP on the official processor listing, it’s up to the OEMs to configure and tune the exact performance to the cooling on each unit. This makes comparisons, aside from simply ‘chip vs chip’, quite difficult, as simply adjusting the processor frequency (rather than any other frequencies) has a direct impact on any IPC or performance-per-watt comparison. As a result, we rely on end-performance numbers based on the CPUs as shipped – but we’ve also tested the 6900HS in 35W mode just to see the difference.
The other big factor in our ASUS Zephryus G15 is going to be the DDR5 memory. As we’ve seen on other platforms, moving to DDR5 can cause a variety of changes in performance for both CPU and gaming – it depends how memory bandwidth dependent the tests were. This is even more true for AMD, given that the memory frequency is also tied into the infinity fabric frequencies inside the processor. Over time AMD has disaggregated the two, but there’s still a level of synchronicity involved with additional dividers, meaning that memory frequency is still an important factor.
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mode_13h - Friday, March 18, 2022 - link> I haven't seen most of the anime you mentioned
The Patlabor OAVs and movies are good for an 80's/90's nostalgia hit, IMO. It's that sort of old timey mecha anime that attracted many of us to the anime multiverse, in the first place. When I watched the OAVs on blu ray, the restoration was fantastic. Very crisp HD.
> the new Dune was a big disappointment to me.
Yeah, I read the trilogy before watching it. I'm so glad I did, because I knew exactly what was going on. Otherwise, I might've been lost.
Yeah, they tried too hard to follow the narrative of the book. I think the only way to do it, and still end up with a good movie, is to focus on a particular story arc. If they'd nailed it, that would've set the stage for more to follow.
I'd imagine they shot so much footage that it could conceivably be re-edited. I know they didn't shoot beyond the movie's ending, because I saw an interview with Zendaya, where she said she was only on location for the desert scenes for a couple days.
mode_13h - Friday, March 18, 2022 - linkI mean the original Patlabor OAVs. There are about 7 of them, I think. Near movie-quality animation, for the time.
BTW, some aspects of the Ghost in the Shell franchise definitely make more sense, as we move towards the future it predicted.
Oh, and Planetes is a nice series about a crew working to collect orbital debris. It aired about 2 decades ago, but I think it was based on manga that was older, still. Some aspects of it were a bit anachronistic even for the time, but other aspects about space physics and orbital living clearly received a lot of thought and attention. The story arc is a lot more interesting than it sounds, with lots of commentary about life, love, the privatization of space, corporate politics, geopolitics, personal ambition, and the ultimate path and personal costs of space exploration. If you don't mind a bit of slapstick and are willing to look past some of the more anachronistic aspects, it's worth a watch.
GeoffreyA - Saturday, March 19, 2022 - linkI haven't read the books but hope to do so before going into the coffin. Well, my view is that the excessive realism somehow harms the movie. If you go back to Lynch's 1984 version, despite the outlandish visuals, it is pretty alien, as Dune should be; and from a storytelling point of view, does that pretty well, going forward rapidly. Also, the princess's summary in the beginning got the viewer up to speed with this strange universe.
The new movie took "show, don't tell" a bit too far, and the story didn't feel cohesive or unified, especially towards the end. It was tedious. The visions seemed forced and overdone. And for an epic, the cinematography was poor in my opinion. A key problem, I feel, is that it didn't bring out the true spirit of the desert. Coupled to this issue is Zimmer's music, in my view, missing the mark. It was too loud and vulgar, and seemed to view the desert from a commercialised, Hollywood lens, rather than feeling its power and reflecting that desolation. Then the CGI, I say no more.
On the plus side, two sequences were outstanding: when Paul first steps onto the desert and picks up the sand/spice; and Paul and his mother's flight through the dust storm. That was world class.
GeoffreyA - Saturday, March 19, 2022 - linkWhen I saw the Patlabor poster some time ago, I was intrigued. That was part two I believe. Yes, as time goes by, I prefer to look back at older anime. I think it's fair to say the industry has gone downhill these days.
And thanks for that great description of Planetes. I won't mind giving one or two episodes a go and seeing what it's like. It reminds me that I've still got to watch Cowboy Bepop.
mode_13h - Sunday, March 20, 2022 - linkPlanetes is one of those series that takes a while to get going. The further you go, the deeper it gets. If you really don't like the first couple episodes, maybe it's not for you. However, you do get rewarded the longer you stick with it.
mode_13h - Monday, March 21, 2022 - link> I haven't read the books but hope to do so before going into the coffin.
There's a lot you can read into it about the corrupting tendencies of empires and exploitation of peoples and their natural resources. It feels like it might've tapped into the decolonization zeitgeist, or at least what I presume it should've been, as the former colonial powers of Europe unwound their foreign holdings. I could do without so much of the psychedelic stuff, but I know Heinlein also went there. So, maybe that was just another trend in 1960's sci fi.
> If you go back to Lynch's 1984 version
It's funny this came up, because I just started watching it last weekend and finished it mere hours ago. It did seem a bit overwrought. I remember how he seemed rather too fascinated with the perversions and excesses of the Harkkonen. I thought the exposition was a bit too much for the naive movie-goer, but probably a helpful reminder for those who'd read the books years earlier.
Since I came to it with low expectations, I really wasn't disappointed. Since the movie had many shots in low light, I wonder just how much I benefited from seeing a clean, HD presentation. Overall, I guess my main complaints would be that some of the acting seemed sub-par (Sting, for one, definitely should've stayed focused on the music business) and I just wouldn't have tried to cover so much plot. It felt busy and probably hard for people to follow, without having read it. I wasn't too bothered by the dated special effects, but they do kind of jump out at you. Some of the sets were quite impressive.
> The new movie took "show, don't tell" a bit too far
Probably a reaction to Lynch's version. I also wonder if his 1990 TV series, Twin Peaks, was also sort of a reaction to the criticism he got for too much exposition in Dune.
Anyway, the last I'll say about it is that I'm finding the Wikipedia page on Dune to be a good resource on the author and his influences.
GeoffreyA - Monday, March 21, 2022 - linkThe visuals prevented me from watching it for a long time. It was only after I became a fan of David Lynch that I was able to see past that and appreciate what he had done. I think for a two-hour adaptation of such a vast novel, it is a commendable attempt, and I prefer it. As for the excesses, etc., well, that's Lynch as always. He always tends to bring out the darker side of things.
I actually love Twin Peaks, and the recent season 3 was spectacular, if strange. But strange is this man's domain. Did too much exposition have an effect on his later work? I would say that Dune was an exception. Generally, his films are pretty obscure, nothing much being spelled out, and one often has to piece together a puzzle. He started off with that note in Eraserhead and hasn't really changed in four decades.
GeoffreyA - Monday, March 21, 2022 - link"Sting, for one, definitely should've stayed focused on the music business"
The best line!
mode_13h - Tuesday, March 22, 2022 - link> I actually love Twin Peaks
I never really watched it. My older sister watched the original TV airing. All I remember of it was the general strangeness and a recollection that even its conclusion left much unanswered.
I haven't seen much of Lynch's work, but I did enjoy Mulholland Dr. All I remember from it is that I decided it's a fool's errand to make complete sense of the plot, since there were paradoxes inserted seemingly with the intent to break any strict interpretation.
> Did too much exposition have an effect on his later work?
That's not really what I meant. I was suggesting he got too much negative feedback on all the exposition in Dune, and therefore went too far in the other direction of being too obscure.
From what I've heard, Kubrick would sometimes indulge in excessive obscurity to create a false sense of depth. The prime example being 2001: A Space Odyssey. If you actually read the book, you can supposedly see what kind of shenanigans he got up to, which I've heard he even admitted in an interview.
> He started off with that note in Eraserhead and hasn't really changed in four decades.
Ah, right. I never got round to watching that one.
GeoffreyA - Wednesday, March 23, 2022 - linkMulholland Drive is perhaps my favourite film of all films. Again, it's the tragic note that speaks to me, and Naomi Watts, brilliant. I've racked my head over this story a great deal, and my tentative answer is that even the latter part, Diane's tale, is a dream, various pieces of evidence pointing there, particularly the blue box and the smoke. The question is, whose dream is *that*! Perhaps it's the director's dream after all.
I haven't read 2001, but you're right, the film keeps things pretty bare and mysterious, and that creates the feeling of a deep, even terrible, mystery. Our age could actually learn something from that and stop filling in all the details. The human mind does a far better job at piecing together the monster in the shadows.