Computex 2014: GeIL Shows DDR4, with Suggested CAS Latenciesby Ian Cutress on June 13, 2014 12:01 AM EST
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One of the big launches this year will be the Haswell-E platform. It is pretty much common knowledge in hardware discussions that this means Haswell-E, X99 and DDR4 will effectively launch to the consumer on the same day. One element of that link that we have the fewest leaks and information from is the DRAM side. I explicitly asked the DRAM manufacturers I have most contact with if they would be showing any DDR4 – either modules, specifications or in action. Many of them obliged – it helps that a fair number also make SSDs and so Kristian was able to get a few snapshots. But talking to GeIL at Computex also revealed something a little more interesting: CAS Latencies.
Memory, as I attempt to convey in reviews, is more than just the frequency stated. There are several sets of subtimings associated with the memory, often divided up into primary subtimings, secondary and tertiary. The primary ones are the most important, and arguably one of the most important of those is called the CAS Latency, or CL for short. Memory is usually quoted as a combination of frequency and CL, and in the past it has been easy to compare kits by comparing the results of Frequency divided by CL, such that the kit with the higher result is often the better performing.
Moving from DDR3 to DDR4 means a move from 280-pin to 288-pin connections. The layout of the modules is slightly different, with the pins being different lengths (notice in the image above how the pins in the middle are longer than those at the edge) in order to help installing memory. Voltage moves down from 1.5 V to 1.2 V, and processors are expected to support DDR4-2133 by default.
Most manufacturers on the Computex show floor were coy with what sub-timings they will aim for their modules, whereas GeIL had a handy list:
So when GeIL offers below 2133 MHz, I am a little taken aback, because their answer is ‘because some people will use it’. I hope that the reason they will use it is because the processor will not support above 1600 MHz. But this list gives that clear indication of CAS Latency between 1600 Mhz and 2400 MHz, with indications that 2666 MHz and 3200 MHz might be more common than we think.
CAS Latency for DDR4 does seem a little down compared to DDR3, though this might be due to the initial batches of ICs coming through. I remember 2133 C11 being the first 2133 MHz DRAM off of the shelf, but now we can buy 2133 C8 very easily.
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StevoLincolnite - Friday, June 13, 2014 - linkCL pretty much stands for latency per cycle, not the absolute latency.
Hence why higher clocked modules generally come with a higher CL, yet their real-world latency can actually remain stagnant or be improved.
Still, I am coming away un-impressed with DDR4 at this early stage, 2133mhz isn't exactly what I would call "Ground breaking" when you could pick up a Samsung Green kit and overclock those babies to 2500mhz - 3ghz with relative ease.
I'm on socket 2011 and have had my DDR3 sitting at 3ghz for the last couple of years without any drama and only at 1.55v!
name99 - Friday, June 13, 2014 - linkCan you ask someone at the show what the story is regarding DDR4 and point-to-point topology.
We were told that DDR4 would allow only one DIMM per channel, and the Haswell-E slides reinforced this. But we have seen multiple Haswell-E (whose memory controller has 4 channels) motherboards sporting 8 DIMM slots. What is going on here?
toncij - Friday, June 13, 2014 - linkThis is interesting. There would be no sense in sharing bandwidth per channel?
Marucins - Monday, June 16, 2014 - linkMHz and CL compare - DDR
Antronman - Thursday, June 19, 2014 - linkIf you're the kind of person who needs 8 cores, why are you waiting for HW-E?
Xeons with IB-E have support for up to 12 cores.