Delidding The AMD Ryzen 5 2400: Delidding The APU

To show if delidding the Ryzen 2000 series APUs yielded much benefit in terms of thermal performance and overclocking headroom, I selected the best overclocking chip for delidding from a CPU core frequency standpoint out of a pool of four APUs. The best one was our retail Ryzen 5 2400G chip, which managed 4.1 GHz with 1.387 volts applied in the BIOS (on our MSI B350I Pro AC motherboard).

Our Ryzen 2000 Series APU Overclocking Guide with results can be found here: link

For delidding, we purchased the Der8auer Delid Die Mate 2 delidding tool, and the Delid Die Mate 2 AMD Kit. This to our knowledge is the safest method to ensure the APU is not damaged during the delidding process and the Delid Die Mate 2 is manufactured from good quality anodized aluminum; much sturdier than a 3D printed acrylic one which relies on the quality of materials used to print. Ensuring the delidding process has minimal risks means a safe delid without damage which is ultimately is much cheaper than a dead piece of silicon, one which cannot be RMA’d due to voiding the warranty outright. The actual procedure for delidding the Ryzen 5 2400G ($169) is exactly identical to the Ryzen 3 2200G ($99) in every single way.

Step 1 – Ensuring the Tools Are Ready for the Job


Standard bolt on the left with AMD Kit on the right

The process in removing the IHS from the 2400G die is very simple (using the right tools), although it can be daunting to first timers and non-experienced users. The first step is ensuring the tools contents are correct and there is no present damage to the components; doing this is essential as any imperfections or cracks in the metal could cause the tool to break in operation and could destroy the chip.

Step 2 – Putting the Chip in the Tool

Making sure the chip is placed into the tool the correct way allows the tool can do its job properly; putting a case fan the wrong way around in a chassis wouldn’t give the right thermal dynamics to effectively cool a system, doing the same with a processor in a delidding tool wouldn’t be right either.

The way to make sure the chip is in the correct way is to line up the triangle indicator on the corner of the processor itself with the triangle indicator on the tool, the same way you would when installing a processor into a motherboard.

Step 3 – Assembling the Die Mate 2 with the AMD Kit Correctly

With the Ryzen 3 2200G ($99) or Ryzen 5 2400G ($169) correctly placed in the Delid Die Mate 2 tool, the next step is slotting in the red acrylic adapter at the open end of the tool; the U-shaped groove needs to be facing upwards as this is where the threaded bolt sits to protect it from touching and potentially damaging the pins on the chip.

Step 4 – Slotting in The Delidder

The Der8auer Delid Die Mate 2 as standard comes in three main components, the part that holds the chip, the part that removes the IHS from the chip, and an adjustable clamp to hold the chip in place. The clamp isn’t used when delidding the AMD Ryzen 2000 series APUs due to the chip using pins. Lining up the grooves in the black block of aluminum with that of the other part of the tool is essential and for ease of use, it can only be placed in one particular way.

Step 5 – Inserting the Threaded Bolt from the Delid Die Mate 2 AMD Kit

This is where the included acrylic adapter comes to use to prevent the bolt from hitting any pins and thus avoiding damage. The M6 x 60 mm threaded bolt screw included in the AMD kit is paramount and using the regular one supplied with the tool itself wouldn’t be adequate to delid a Ryzen 2000 series APU. The aim is to secure the bolt into the correctly sized slot on the Delid Die Mate 2 tool so that it’s ready to be used.

Step 6 – The Nitty Gritty: Applying Force and Twisting the Nut

The Delid Die Mate 2 comes included with an Allen key which is required to screw the bolt with enough pressure to ‘pop’ the heat sink off safely. Both the standard supplied bolt and the one with the AMD kit share the same M6 sizing making the key usable on both threaded screws. With the bolt in place and the Ryzen 5 2400G ($169) safely installed into the tool, it’s a case of simply twisting the Allen key until the loud popping sound is heard.

Do not be alarmed however, the crunch or popping sound is rather loud and resembles the same kind of crunch when installing a new Intel processor into a new motherboard, only much, much louder.

Step 7 – Safely Removing the Screw from The Tool

Once the ‘hard’ part has been completed, removing the threaded screw safely is as important as it was installing. When removing the screw, it’s a good idea to angle the screw as in the image and ensure your have two hands available when removing the screw. The best way to achieve this is loosen the bolt by using the Allen key until it’s loose enough to screw by hands. The consequence of losing grip on the bolt while removing it could result in pin damage don’t want the end of the screw to scrape or even touch the pins.

Step 8 – Checking the Delid Was Successful

If all the steps have been followed correctly, the result should be a clear one, a freshly delidded Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 5 2400G APU. With the aluminum Die Mate 2 block removed and the adapter, the chip itself should be loose from the IHS and should be ambulatory.

Now that the Ryzen 5 2400G has been successfully delidded without any damage, it’s now time to prepare it for use on the test bench to see what/if there are any thermal benefits, as well as available overclocking headroom as a result of this process.

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  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    AMD does use solder on the Ryzen CPUs. It's the APUs that have paste. They do market the Ryzen-2000 CPUs as having higher-grade Indium-Tin solder. Reply
  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    Hi Ian, I should have been more precise: it's exactly because AMD "does the right thing" and uses solder for its non-APU Ryzen 2000 chips that this use of paste sticks out. I wish they would do so also for their Ryzen APU lines. Would make anyone considering buying a 2200G or 2400G feel less like a second - class customer, and emphasize the perception that this is a premium product Reply
  • Oxford Guy - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    "Would make anyone considering buying a 2200G or 2400G feel less like a second - class customer, and emphasize the perception that this is a premium product"

    Intel hasn't had much trouble convincing people to spend a lot more on its second-class customer CPUs. It has been selling quite a lot of them since Sandy.
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  • werpu - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Well the article was exaggerating the problem. There nowhere was a package difference of 12c in their numbers, as far as I remember in the upper area of 4.1 GHz it was 9c (from 67 down to 58). Sure they got another 100MHz out of it, but that is playing the silicon lottery area.
    So in reality depending on your workload the difference between the liquid cooling method and the a stock cooling via the usual ways is 4-9 degrees. This is not worth it. They might have shaved off 2-7 degrees by going full solder, but we are talking about cheap apus here. This is not an Intel like situation where the difference often is in the 15-25c degrees range due to cheap stuff being used.
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  • Lolimaster - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    Why techsites and techtoubers don't understand, temps is not what is holding Ryzen or Ryzen APU's, is the way they designed the 1st iteration for a mobile oriented node.

    OCing the cpu part of the APU is WORTHLESS when the base clock is already 3.6Ghz, without delidding, any 2400G will do 1500Mhz+ on the gpu (good ones 1700 @1.3v for the soc voltage, the max for safety)

    The benefit for delidding the APU is basically lower temps, specially when using the stock HS or a low profile one.
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  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    Agree. I am eagerly awaiting a GPU-only overclock article for these, both stock and delidded. Also, second the interest in seeing that comparison with the stock cooler. My main interest in these (especially the 2400G) is the price/value aspect, and I don't think that many will want to shell out well over 100 Euros or dollars for a fancy cooler. Reply
  • gavbon - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    There will be a iGPU scaling piece, it is in the pipeline, along with CPU frequency scaling and memory scaling on APU, iGPU and dGPU Reply
  • Diji1 - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link

    >the way they designed the 1st iteration for a mobile oriented node.

    Hopefully that means we'll see some tablets with 3D gaming possibilities then!
    Reply
  • Matt G - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    Great article. Was an interesting read but FYI: If you add the cost of all the parts it totals $247 dollars. For that price you could easily step up to a much faster Ryzen 7 1700 for the same price. Reply
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link

    Therein is the rub, unless you know someone with a delidding tool. But hey, people buy $2000 cars and spend $10k in mods. Reply

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