SFF Roundup, Part I: Socket 478 and 754 Systems
by Jarred Walton on February 15, 2005 2:00 PM EST- Posted in
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ASUS T2-P Deluxe
Overview
If there's one company in the computer component industry that virtually everyone knows, then it's probably ASUS. They have been around for a long time and have always been one of the leaders in terms of performance and features with their products. Their products also tend to cost more than competing offerings, but the "you get what you pay for" cliché usually applies, and ASUS is well regarded for their customer support and reliability.Oddly enough, the SFF that we have from ASUS really flies in the face of most of the above generalizations. The product itself is not bad, but in terms of price, this is actually the cheapest of all the SFF units that we currently have - even considering the added cost of the deluxe model! As we've mentioned in the past, there are several variants of the T2 Terminator line. We have the deluxe commercial version, and there is also a deluxe consumer version as well as the standard deluxe and the base model.
The deluxe version adds the radio tuner and 7-in-1 flash card reader, so if you don't need either of those options, you can cut costs quite a bit. The commercial retail version has a 3-in-1 PCI card that includes gigabit Ethernet (GbE), two firewire ports, and WiFi 802.11B. The consumer retail version also has a 3-in-1 PCI card, but instead of GbE, it adds a TV tuner to the mix. Finding the consumer retail version is a little difficult, however. There is also a T2-R case available in similar configurations, with the primary difference being the use of the ATI 9100G chipset for the motherboard rather than Intel's 965G. The integrated graphics performance would improve with that model, but based on past experience with that ATI chipset, the overall performance would decrease somewhat.
Aesthetics
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The T2-P is a decent looking case, although it is rather large for a "small" form factor design. With two 5.25" bays, an included floppy and flash card reader, the radio functions, and the front ports, it's not too difficult to see why it's larger than competitors. If you don't mind something a little larger, though, it's a well built case. The black pearlescent paint on the body of the case has a polished finish that some will like, although the front silver panels are made of plastic and don't look quite as nice in our opinion. From a distance - i.e. if you're sitting on the couch and the unit is in your entertainment console - the front panels look better, but up close, the effect isn't as good. While not the best looking SFF case that we've seen, the ASUS does look better than most cheap desktop cases.
Features
ASUS Terminator T2-P Deluxe Commercial
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Dimension | (w)190 mm x (h)310 mm x (d)300 mm | |
CPU Support | Intel Socket 478 Northwood/Prescott up to P4 3.2GHz | |
Memory Support | PC1600/PC2100/PC2700/PC3200 up to 2GB; 2 DIMM slots | |
Motherboard | P4P8T (proprietary) Intel 865G/ICH5 Chipsets FSB 800/533/400MHz |
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Graphics | Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 32MB shared memory architecture | |
Expansion Slots | 1 x PCI; 1 x AGP 8x | |
Power Supply | 200W Delta Electronics Power Supply 3 x 4-pin Molex; 1 x 4-pin FDD 4-pin ATX 12V; 20-pin ATX |
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Internal Connections | 2 x SATA; 2 x IDE; 1 x FDD | |
Audio | AC97 SW audio, 6 channel codec | |
LAN | 1 x 10/100 Mbps 1 x Wireless 802.11b WiFi 1 x Gigabit LAN (optional) |
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Memory Card Reader | Compact Flash Type I/II, Microdrive, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Secure Digital, MultiMedia Card, Smart Media Card |
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Drive Bay | 2 x 3.5 External (Floppy and Flash Reader 1 x 3.5 Internal (HDD) 2 x 5.25 External (CD/DVD) |
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Front I/O | 2 x USB 2.0 2 x IEEE1394 (4pin, 6pin) S/PDIF-out, MIC, Head-phone 7-in-1 memory card reader Audio DJ play buttons Power button Power on & HDD LED indicators |
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Rear I/O | 4 x USB 2.0 PS/2 KB, PS/2 Mouse VGA port (D-SUB) Game / MIDI port Serial port - Parallel port RJ-45 LAN Port (10/100Mbps) Micropone, Line-in/out, Speaker out |
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3-in-1 PCI Card 802.11b wireless antenna 3Com 3C940 Gigabit LAN |
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Overclocking | None - all settings are automatic | |
Extras | Audio DJ (FM and CD) | |
Full Image Set | ASUS T2-P Pictures (1.6MB) | |
Manufacturer Link | ASUS T2-P Deluxe |
In terms of features, the T2-P Deluxe commercial/consumer variants are loaded. Only the Aopen unit tops it in this roundup, and even then, the ASUS still has some extras that none of the others can match. For example, this is the only case that includes a floppy drive preinstalled, as well as a flash card reader. It's a minor point, really, but if you're going to have two external 3.5" bays, we appreciate the fact that the components are already installed. The manual also mentions an included optical drive, but that is only in the deluxe consumer version, unfortunately. You also get integrated graphics, a radio tuner/CD player that can be powered up in about five seconds, and included parallel and serial ports. If you don't need all of those items, other SFFs are probably a better fit, but for an out-of-box experience, the T2-P has nearly everything you need.
The only drawback is that once you add your own graphics card to the mix, you've basically filled the case and other than the second 5.25" drive bay, you can't add anything more without taking something out. We would have preferred to see the GbE included on the motherboard rather than in an add-in card, and if you're going to go with wireless networking, 802.11G would be preferred over 802.11B. The firewire support could have also been added to the motherboard rather than to a separate PCI card. This means that you're stuck with the onboard audio unless you remove the PCI card, and in that case, you would probably be better off going with the standard model in the first place. Thankfully, the onboard audio works well and static was not a problem - at least, it wasn't a problem using the rear audio ports; the front headphone port still produced a bit of interference.
One feature that is surprisingly missing - given ASUS' reputation - is overclocking controls. Given that ASUS motherboards often set the overclocking standard by which other boards are judged, the complete lack of such controls was unexpected. The P4C800-E and, more recently, the P5GD2 are such examples, but if overclocking is something that you're looking for, look elsewhere. This is only a minor consideration, however, as most SFF users are not really concerned with tweaking for maximum performance.
The major "extra" that the deluxe model includes is the radio tuner/CD player. The flash card reader and 3-in-1 card are also useful, but other than adding features, there isn't much to say. If you don't have any sort of stereo system and you like to listen to music a lot, you can power up the T2-P Deluxe into radio/CD mode in about five seconds. Windows software is also included for the radio, but the CD playback functionality is already supported by Windows so it isn't anything special. The "quick boot" CD mode also supports playback of audio CDs (and possibly DVDs - I didn't verify this).
Radio playback worked, but reception in our area was rather poor. This is true of reception in general and not of the ASUS T2-P in particular, although the included antenna was certainly not the greatest. (The Aopen antenna was far superior, if a little more conspicuous.) Setting radio stations could be easier, as your only available options are a channel scan by pressing the Play/Pause button, and the Stop button will halt the scan. If the signal is weak, the Play/Stop buttons can be used to set a specific station, but direct manual tuning is not possible. Up to nine preset stations can be stored, at which point the Forward and Back buttons will move through the presets. As a radio stand-in, it works, but just barely. Certainly, we wouldn't recommend buying the system solely on this feature.
Another positive point for the ASUS unit is that the audio output was relatively clean in Windows. The front port still had a small amount of static or noise even after muting the AUX and Line-in ports, but we could only hear it with headphones; when plugged into speakers, it was not noticeable. The rear port was also clean, even when using headphones.
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CrystalBay - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Hi, How about the dual Opteron Iwill, that keeps flashing on the right.skunklet - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
there is an ideq with an embedded c3 proc that i would love to see a review of.gerf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
I'd been looking at that Biostar SFF, as its specs are better than the equivalent Shuttle version, and is much cheaper. And now you drop a great review for it! I think that both I and my brother are going to use it for our new systems. Thank you for the kickarse review!JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
#6 - fixed, along with a few other things I noticed. If anyone sees anything else, feel free to drop me a line.#7/#8 - both of those are on the list of S939 systems we have coming for review. (We haven't received the PCIe one yet, but it should arrive sometime soon.) Unfortunately, most of the "high end" SFFs that we currently have are S775 for whatever reason. I think we have eight 775 units and only three 939 right now. I'd really like to see additional S754 units as well, since Sempron is moving in that direction.
I think one of the reasons that we're seeing more Intel SFFs is due to the chipset support. 865G is really almost the same price as 865PE, so the integrated graphics are "free". They're not good for gaming, but for most other tasks they work well. The only AMD platform chipsets with IGP are currently the outdated VIA K8M800 and the SiS stuff, although there are some newer offerings.
In case any of you aren't aware of this, we really can't afford to simply go out and purchase every item that we want to review. Since the reviews are basically "free" advertising (although if a unit has serious problems, it may not be good), the manufacturers have to send us the parts. In case any manufacturers are reading this, get in touch with us and we'll be happy to review any of your SFFs that you send our way! There are quite a few manufacturers that aren't currently represented.
Phantronius - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Im hoping the SN25P turns out to be reliable unlike the SN95G.That and the way the PCI-E cards are facing the opposite direction makes me wonder about heat with both slots taken up. Hrmm....
REMF - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
AT - don't even consider doing your high-end round up until you have the new nForce4 P-series Shuttle due to be released at the end of the month.i would also like to see the nForce3 G5-Series Shuttle compared against it, and other high-end SFF chassis'. :D
AtaStrumf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
WAU, that is one massive review! Good work guys.Just one typo to point out on page 8:
The iDEQ doesn't include any notable extras **included**, but it does have all of the high quality standard features that we like.
There was one more "it" that shoud have been "if", but I forgot where it was. Sorry :-)
I thought this article would include a MAC mini, but I guess that will be a separate article altogether.
If I may, I would suggest you only focus on SFF systems which stand out in a positive way and stay clear of the ones that don't. Just seems like a lot of pointless work.
MIDIman - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Been waiting for anand's SFF reviews. Looking forward to the A64-939 / Intel 775 review that I'm sure will be next.arswihart - Note that the SB61G2V3 is Shuttle's latest socket 478, Intel-based system. All of their newer products are socket 775 which will be in a later review. However, I think there are plenty on the AMD side that could've been covered instead that are socket 754...the SN85G4V3 ain't too shabby.
quidpro - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Absolutely no way that 7 bright blue leds in the Aopen (which only get brighter) should be considered acceptable or "minor" for an entertainment system, in my opinion. My shuttle has only two lights and I've had to cover them up with electrical tape with a small pinhole in order to cut down on the extremely distracting glare coming from it while watching a movie...the orange HD led flashes (as it should) which is even more distracting...arswihart - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
what the hell were they thinking when they chose to review this obsolete Shuttle system?