SFF Roundup, Part I: Socket 478 and 754 Systems
by Jarred Walton on February 15, 2005 2:00 PM EST- Posted in
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ASUS T2-P Deluxe
Overview
If there's one company in the computer component industry that virtually everyone knows, then it's probably ASUS. They have been around for a long time and have always been one of the leaders in terms of performance and features with their products. Their products also tend to cost more than competing offerings, but the "you get what you pay for" cliché usually applies, and ASUS is well regarded for their customer support and reliability.Oddly enough, the SFF that we have from ASUS really flies in the face of most of the above generalizations. The product itself is not bad, but in terms of price, this is actually the cheapest of all the SFF units that we currently have - even considering the added cost of the deluxe model! As we've mentioned in the past, there are several variants of the T2 Terminator line. We have the deluxe commercial version, and there is also a deluxe consumer version as well as the standard deluxe and the base model.
The deluxe version adds the radio tuner and 7-in-1 flash card reader, so if you don't need either of those options, you can cut costs quite a bit. The commercial retail version has a 3-in-1 PCI card that includes gigabit Ethernet (GbE), two firewire ports, and WiFi 802.11B. The consumer retail version also has a 3-in-1 PCI card, but instead of GbE, it adds a TV tuner to the mix. Finding the consumer retail version is a little difficult, however. There is also a T2-R case available in similar configurations, with the primary difference being the use of the ATI 9100G chipset for the motherboard rather than Intel's 965G. The integrated graphics performance would improve with that model, but based on past experience with that ATI chipset, the overall performance would decrease somewhat.
Aesthetics
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The T2-P is a decent looking case, although it is rather large for a "small" form factor design. With two 5.25" bays, an included floppy and flash card reader, the radio functions, and the front ports, it's not too difficult to see why it's larger than competitors. If you don't mind something a little larger, though, it's a well built case. The black pearlescent paint on the body of the case has a polished finish that some will like, although the front silver panels are made of plastic and don't look quite as nice in our opinion. From a distance - i.e. if you're sitting on the couch and the unit is in your entertainment console - the front panels look better, but up close, the effect isn't as good. While not the best looking SFF case that we've seen, the ASUS does look better than most cheap desktop cases.
Features
ASUS Terminator T2-P Deluxe Commercial
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Dimension | (w)190 mm x (h)310 mm x (d)300 mm | |
CPU Support | Intel Socket 478 Northwood/Prescott up to P4 3.2GHz | |
Memory Support | PC1600/PC2100/PC2700/PC3200 up to 2GB; 2 DIMM slots | |
Motherboard | P4P8T (proprietary) Intel 865G/ICH5 Chipsets FSB 800/533/400MHz |
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Graphics | Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 32MB shared memory architecture | |
Expansion Slots | 1 x PCI; 1 x AGP 8x | |
Power Supply | 200W Delta Electronics Power Supply 3 x 4-pin Molex; 1 x 4-pin FDD 4-pin ATX 12V; 20-pin ATX |
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Internal Connections | 2 x SATA; 2 x IDE; 1 x FDD | |
Audio | AC97 SW audio, 6 channel codec | |
LAN | 1 x 10/100 Mbps 1 x Wireless 802.11b WiFi 1 x Gigabit LAN (optional) |
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Memory Card Reader | Compact Flash Type I/II, Microdrive, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Secure Digital, MultiMedia Card, Smart Media Card |
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Drive Bay | 2 x 3.5 External (Floppy and Flash Reader 1 x 3.5 Internal (HDD) 2 x 5.25 External (CD/DVD) |
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Front I/O | 2 x USB 2.0 2 x IEEE1394 (4pin, 6pin) S/PDIF-out, MIC, Head-phone 7-in-1 memory card reader Audio DJ play buttons Power button Power on & HDD LED indicators |
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Rear I/O | 4 x USB 2.0 PS/2 KB, PS/2 Mouse VGA port (D-SUB) Game / MIDI port Serial port - Parallel port RJ-45 LAN Port (10/100Mbps) Micropone, Line-in/out, Speaker out |
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3-in-1 PCI Card 802.11b wireless antenna 3Com 3C940 Gigabit LAN |
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Overclocking | None - all settings are automatic | |
Extras | Audio DJ (FM and CD) | |
Full Image Set | ASUS T2-P Pictures (1.6MB) | |
Manufacturer Link | ASUS T2-P Deluxe |
In terms of features, the T2-P Deluxe commercial/consumer variants are loaded. Only the Aopen unit tops it in this roundup, and even then, the ASUS still has some extras that none of the others can match. For example, this is the only case that includes a floppy drive preinstalled, as well as a flash card reader. It's a minor point, really, but if you're going to have two external 3.5" bays, we appreciate the fact that the components are already installed. The manual also mentions an included optical drive, but that is only in the deluxe consumer version, unfortunately. You also get integrated graphics, a radio tuner/CD player that can be powered up in about five seconds, and included parallel and serial ports. If you don't need all of those items, other SFFs are probably a better fit, but for an out-of-box experience, the T2-P has nearly everything you need.
The only drawback is that once you add your own graphics card to the mix, you've basically filled the case and other than the second 5.25" drive bay, you can't add anything more without taking something out. We would have preferred to see the GbE included on the motherboard rather than in an add-in card, and if you're going to go with wireless networking, 802.11G would be preferred over 802.11B. The firewire support could have also been added to the motherboard rather than to a separate PCI card. This means that you're stuck with the onboard audio unless you remove the PCI card, and in that case, you would probably be better off going with the standard model in the first place. Thankfully, the onboard audio works well and static was not a problem - at least, it wasn't a problem using the rear audio ports; the front headphone port still produced a bit of interference.
One feature that is surprisingly missing - given ASUS' reputation - is overclocking controls. Given that ASUS motherboards often set the overclocking standard by which other boards are judged, the complete lack of such controls was unexpected. The P4C800-E and, more recently, the P5GD2 are such examples, but if overclocking is something that you're looking for, look elsewhere. This is only a minor consideration, however, as most SFF users are not really concerned with tweaking for maximum performance.
The major "extra" that the deluxe model includes is the radio tuner/CD player. The flash card reader and 3-in-1 card are also useful, but other than adding features, there isn't much to say. If you don't have any sort of stereo system and you like to listen to music a lot, you can power up the T2-P Deluxe into radio/CD mode in about five seconds. Windows software is also included for the radio, but the CD playback functionality is already supported by Windows so it isn't anything special. The "quick boot" CD mode also supports playback of audio CDs (and possibly DVDs - I didn't verify this).
Radio playback worked, but reception in our area was rather poor. This is true of reception in general and not of the ASUS T2-P in particular, although the included antenna was certainly not the greatest. (The Aopen antenna was far superior, if a little more conspicuous.) Setting radio stations could be easier, as your only available options are a channel scan by pressing the Play/Pause button, and the Stop button will halt the scan. If the signal is weak, the Play/Stop buttons can be used to set a specific station, but direct manual tuning is not possible. Up to nine preset stations can be stored, at which point the Forward and Back buttons will move through the presets. As a radio stand-in, it works, but just barely. Certainly, we wouldn't recommend buying the system solely on this feature.
Another positive point for the ASUS unit is that the audio output was relatively clean in Windows. The front port still had a small amount of static or noise even after muting the AUX and Line-in ports, but we could only hear it with headphones; when plugged into speakers, it was not noticeable. The rear port was also clean, even when using headphones.
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JarredWalton - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
#21 - We're working on getting the Iwill dual-CPU system. We'll see what Iwill has to say. :)#19 - The unit reviewed was the EA65-II. There is an EA65-IIa as well as an EA65-IIa 2.0. The only difference between the IIa models is the version of InstantON included, and I believe you can download the latest version and turn the IIa into the IIa 2.0. Does that make sense? Also, I don't think the IIa is available in the US yet, but should be within the next month or two.
If you don't mind a spoiler (yeah, right), the Pentium M desktop/HTPC that I have for review is louder than the SFFs in this roundup (other than the e-bot). However, it is a fully configured and loaded system with two HDDs, a 6800GT, etc. I've checked with the manufacturer about the noise levels and will see if I can get it reduced. Right now, the HSF is really huge - it looks like a Pentium 4 HSF, which is probably overkill for the Pentium M 2.0.
On a side note, if you haven't seen the die of the Dothan, it's REALLY SMALL! About half the size of a dime. Pretty crazy to see that much power in such a small size.
SUOrangeman - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
Request the Iwill ZMAXdp ($675 at NewEgg) for the next SFF piece! :)GoatHerderEd - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
NM, the firewire is on the front. I still thing there should be a port or two on the back though.silentcomputing - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
Nice job, Jarred.I am interesting in the Aopen EA65-IIa, but got confused about the new model name. You mentioned the new model is EA65-IIa first, but followed by EA64-IIa.... Is it a typo or is Aopen going to release AMD64 version of the EA in the near future.
When do you think you can have the P-M on desktop review?? I can't wait to have one... enough for the noise from any of my computers...including Shuttle and Dell..... :(
GoatHerderEd - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
#12, Wow, I got the Shuttle SN95G. But I really want that Iwill dual Opteron! That thing looks so sweet! No fire wire though )=#8, Why do you say the SN95G is unreliable? I think its pretty good. Boot up time isnt as fast as my Nforce2 XP 1800+, but its faster otherwise.
LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
Now that it looks like AMD is coming out with additional Socket 754 Sempron CPU's, the Biostar really looks like a good choice. It's not like one needs huge CPU power for a HTPC, as long as it does a good job of encoding/decoding, and the Sempron should also run fairly cool. Add a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150/250 and a discrete ATI graphics card (for additional hardware-assist MPEG-2 playback and VIVO) and it looks to be a really good choice.smn198 - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
I've said it before but would it be possible to present the non-linear noise measurements on a non-linear scale?That would more accurately show that with the IGP, the foxconn is over twice as loud as the others.
Don't mean to seem critical. Great read. That is why I keep coming back.
#3. Read the first few paragraphs of the review. Besides, it is very cheap now.
smn198 - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
"Shuttle is able to use a single fan to fool both the CPU as well as the case"I've been trying that for years but have never successfully managed to fool them both at once!
CrystalBay - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - link
Thanks JW, Iknow it's a lot to ask.JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
11, 12 - I'll have to see about those two units. For the Iwill, at least, they would either need to send processors or I would have to get some sent from AT HQ. I don't have any server parts at my location for testing.