Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Ian and Andrei, thanks for the article (Ian) and the tests (both) ! My take on why Intel did this "we let you play (test) with our reference system is that they needed to show that Ice Lake is for real, has working graphics, and not another gimped chip that is send off to pasture like Whiskey Lake. Overall, it seems to be an okay step forward, nothing great, but a step forward. For me, the main benefit of this new generation is AVX 512, which can speed certain programs up quite a lot.
    Lastly, Intel will sell a lot of these, mainly because AMD doesn't have a real competitive solution out there that can take them on in the low and lower power mobile space.
  • DooMMasteR - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Which makes this unusual showcase even weirder...
    Intel is so far only planning a low power mobile release (either because of platform restrictions, Ryzen has shown that 7nm needs complex thermal management) or because of fab volume restrictions in 10nm.
    In either case Intels benefit from this showcase is quite small since AMD has no real contender announced anyways.
    At least when people where looking for pure SoC performance... and in any other case AMD can still compete quite well, but lacks product variety and quality, Huawei has shown that amazing Ryzen mobile devices are possible and Lenovo and others have shown how to do it wrong.
  • The_Assimilator - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    While it's great that Intel is being so open about ICL, the sad thing is that it only highlights how bare their cupboard is at the moment. This is their second attempt at 10nm, yet it's so obviously inferior to the ultra-refined 14nm, which makes it clear that despite Intel's half-decade of massive expense and effort, their 10nm node isn't salvageable.

    I predict we'll see 14nm desktop ICL parts for Christmas, but I'm far more interested in what happens after 10nm. Does Intel have a plan to use all the hard-won experience on this failed node to make their next shrink actually happen on time and on schedule, or is the company in so deep that its decision-makers can't see any alternative route?
  • ksec - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Just looking at those numbers, Icelake, while on average may be 20% faster, it is in fact some of the work load manage to get 30 to 40+% IPC increase. That is quite astonishing. And depending on AVX512 usage it could get even more performance out of it.

    What we need to know is die size.

    GPU has improved but stilll isn't good enough.
  • Phynaz - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Nothing from intel will ever be good enough for you unless it’s stamped AMD
  • Korguz - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    and by your own comments so far in this thread, nothing will ever be good enough for you, unless its stamped intel, whats your point ?
  • Phynaz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    I was waiting for you to show up. I’ll bet I’ve bought more AMD chips than you can count.
  • Korguz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    you have ?? that's great, good for you, you must be proud of your self, knowing you have more money then brains. my self.. would prefer to pay my mortgage, food, and other things that are needed
  • Phynaz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    Sorry, I forgot you’re poor.
  • Korguz - Saturday, August 3, 2019 - link

    sorry phynaz, not poor. just have better things to spend my money on, cause unlike you, i dont still live with mommy and daddy, cause the way you insult people, and call them names, you must be some 15 year old, as this is what children do. maybe you should go away, grow up, and come back when you can talk to people with out resorting to insults, and childish behavior. 90% of your posts in this thread prove this, nothing but insults, does this make you feel better, calling people names and insulting them ?

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