Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • zodiacfml - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Yes and No. Intel at 10nm should have made AMD nervous but products only at 4 cores, there is nothing or little benefit with 10nm. I reckon, AMD's 7nm mobile parts will mostly start at 6 cores.
  • Kevin G - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Those 3D particle movement tests seem to be too good to be true. There should be a gigantic jump due to an optimized AVX-512 code path and ICL's enhanced caching structure but it is beyond that in the comparison. I'm not actually suspecting the ICL system given the disclosures in the article (odd that the note about AVX-512 intrinistics for the 3DPM test is mentioned around SPEC compiler settings) but rather the other test systems. Where the Whisky Lake or Kaby Lake systems power or thermal constrained at all? On those Hauwei laptops, were you able to set their fan to a fixed 100% to match that of the ICL system?
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    The AVX-512 tests were similar when we compared Cannon Lake to Kaby Lake at the same frequency. Against unoptimized SSE code, AVX-512 is killer.
  • Kevin G - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Getting a bit more than double the performance from AVX2 vs. AVX-512 should be possible using some of the new Ice Lake extensions and the obvious doubling of SIMD width. But going from a score of 1802 in Whiskey Lake 25W to 9242 for Ice Lake 25W, over a factor of 5! Ice Lake would have to remove some other bottleneck that the 3DPM test hits really hard (division?).

    Looking back at your previous reviews ( https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen... ), you can see a similar speed up from AVX-512 between the i9 9900K and the i9 7820X but that is explained from Skylake-X having both double the SIMD width and double the number of SIMD execution units. The client version of Ice Lake shouldn't have the same AVX-512 throughput as Sky Lake server.
  • CSMR - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    > the one area where Ice Lake excels in is graphics. Moving from 24 EUs to 64 EUs, plus an increase in memory bandwidth to >50 GB/s, makes for some easy reading.

    I don't understand the comparison here and in this article. If you say a high-end intel processor update excels in graphics, you should compare to previous high-end processors (e.g. i7-8559U with Iris Plus 655). These have 48EUs not 24 and have 128MB EDRAM at 100 GB/s unlike the Ice Lake.

    I am very interested in how the best Ice Lake processors compare to the best previous-gen processors, not how they compare to mediocre previous-gen processors.

    Could the article be updated with some appropriate comparisons?
  • eastcoast_pete - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Agree on adding the best previous generation graphics to the comparison. Also, while the over 1 TFlops for the 64EU Gen 11 sounds (and is) impressive (within the Intel iGPU world) , didn't the 48EU with Crystal Well get close to that already?
  • Rudde - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    The first apu with 1TFlops performance statement is full of asteriks. First, you have to exclude AMD; second, you have to exclude Intel Iris gpus with eDRAM.
  • Phynaz - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    AMD mobile chips are hot garbage
  • eva02langley - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Your opinion is not a fact... and it is garbage for real.
  • Phynaz - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    Hahaha. It’s a fact. It’s why they have 0% market share.

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