Power Results (15W and 25W)

Based on the SKU table, Intel was very keen to point out that all of the Y-series processors for Ice Lake and all the 15W U-series processors have cTDP up modes. This means that OEMs, if they build for it, can take advantage of a higher base power of a processor which leads to longer turbo periods and a higher frequency during sustained performance levels.

While cTDP is a good idea, one of the issues we have with the concept is that Intel’s OEM partners that design the laptops and notebooks for these processors don’t ever advertise or publicise if they’re using a CPU in cTDP up or down mode. I could understand why a vendor might not want to advertise using a down mode, but an up mode means extra performance, and it’s hard to tell from the outside what is going on.

For what it is worth, most users cannot change between these modes anyway. They are baked into the firmware and the operating system. However there are a few systems that do expose this to the user, as I recently found out with my Whiskey Lake-U platform, where the OS power plan has advanced options to set the TDP levels. Very interesting indeed.

Also, for Ice Lake-U, Intel is introducing a feature called Intel Dynamic Tuning 2.0.

We covered this in our architecture disclosure article, but the short and simple of it is that it allows OEMs to implement a system whereby the PL1/TDP of a system can change based on an algorithm over time. So it allows for higher strict turbo, and then adjusts the turbo budget over time.

This feature will be branded under Intel’s Adaptix brand, which covers all these CPU optimizations. However, it should be noted, that this feature is optional for the OEM. It requires the OEM to actually do the work to characterize the thermal profile of the system. We suspect that it will be mostly on premium devices, but as the chips roll out into cheaper systems, this will not be there. Intel is not making this feature standard.

Testing Power

Based on the time available, we weren’t able to do much power testing. What I was able to do was run a power profile during the start of our 3DPM AVX512 test in both 15W and 25W modes for the Core i7-1065G7.

The test here runs for 20 seconds, then rests for 10 seconds. Here are the first four sub-tests, and there are a lot of interesting points to note.

The peak power in these systems is clearly the PL2 mode, which on the Intel SDS platform seems to be around the 50W mode. Given that the functional test system is a bit of a chonk, with a strong thermal profile and the fan on all the time, this is perhaps to be expected. The suggested PL2 for Kaby Lake-R was 44W, so this might indicate a small jump in strategy. Of course, with the Kaby Lake-R designs, we never saw many devices that actually had a PL2 of 44W – most OEMs chose something smaller, like 22W or 35W.

The fact that the CPU can sustain a 50W PL2 means that Intel could easily release Ice Lake into the desktop market at the 35W range. Easy. Please do this Intel.

Second to note is the AVX-512 frequency. Not listed here, but under the 15W mode we saw the AVX-512 frequency around 1.0-1.1 GHz, while at 25W it was around 1.4-1.5 GHz. That’s quite a drop from non AVX-512 code, for sure.

Third, we come to the turbo window. Increasing the base TDP means that the turbo window has more budget to turbo, and we can see that this equates to more than 2x on all the sub-tests. In the 15W mode, on the first test, we blow through the budget within 5 seconds, but on the 25W mode, we can actually turbo all the way through the 20 seconds of the first test. This means that there is still technically budget on the table by the time we start the second test under the 25W mode.

Also, that third test – if you are wondering why that graph looks a little light on the data points compared to the others, it is because the AVX-512 instructions took so much of the time on the CPU, that our power software didn’t get any for itself to update the power values. We still got enough to make a graph, but that just goes to show what hammering the CPU can do.

For the base power consumption, we actually have an issue here with the observer effect. Our polling software is polling too often and spiking up the power a little bit. However, if we take the average power consumption between 25-30 seconds, under 25W this is 2.96W, and under 15W this is 2.87W, which is similar.

For users interested in the score differential between the two:

For 3DPM without AVX instructions, the 15W mode scored 816, and 25W mode scored 1020 (+25%).
For 3DPM with AVX-512, the 15W mode scored 7204, and 25W mode scored 9242 (+28%).

SPEC2017 and SPEC2006 Results (15W) System Results (15W)
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  • Fulljack - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    lpddr4 would make it higher priced and stuck in premium device, as it's a soldered ram.
  • RSAUser - Friday, August 2, 2019 - link

    I think the commenter means DDR4L, low powered SO-DIMM and not the usual phone/tablet soldered RAM.
  • Rudde - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    There are rumors (check AT forums) about a Gen 12 (ice lake is 11) discrete gpu with 512 EUs (arctic sound). I believe 64 EUs is confirmed max on Ice lake, but the generation after that (Tiger lake?) might have more.
  • Mr Perfect - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    I notice that these parts all have Hyper threading. Has Intel addressed their security concerns with HT in Ice Lake, or do they see the benefits of HT to be greater then the risks in the mobile space?
  • djayjp - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    And what about Zombieload...? Or was that just quietly swept under the rug?
  • justaviking - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    QUOTE: "After attending the event, to which fewer than 10 press were invited, I now understand why. Some of the press invited didn’t have OS images, didn’t bring benchmarks with them, and were quite happy to go along with the flow. Intel provided benchmarks like Geekbench and 3DMark, which those press with their audiences were happy to run. I came prepared with both a new 1903 OS image and my benchmark suite, ready to rock and roll."

    And that is why we love AnandTech. :)
  • justaviking - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    And QUOTE: "It was clear that some of the press in attendance only needed a day (or half a day), but for what we do at AT, then two days would be better."

    Thank you for the article, and for doing the best you could in the time available.
  • ManDaddio - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Well I'm glad that we got a little bit more looking to this part of Intel's 10nm. I'm looking forward to the next iteration to be honest.

    Actually I was more interested in the features of these new Intel laptops.

    The benchmarks as you stated are just surface stuff until you can actually truly spend a while testing these things when they come out.

    All the rave right now in some circles is AMD but I always liked Intel laptops for their features as well as performance.
    And I have owned a couple AMD laptops. They were good and did the job but my Intel laptops were always much better. That's my experience.

    I understand the challenges of putting an article like this out to the public who complains a lot or just wants to troll. Thanks for sharing.
  • Bulat Ziganshin - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    >AMD for Zen 2 decided to halve the L1-D, double increase the L1-D associativity

    it was L1-I cache
  • Drumsticks - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    In terms of pure performance, Icelake is definitely let down by it's available frequency. It's in bad need of a 10nm++ process or a backport to 14nm.

    It was a good idea to release it for laptops though, I think. Laptops definitely are about more than just the CPU, and the overall experience the Icelake featureset enables might actually be a good selling point.

    I'd love to see an Icelake based microarchitecture released on Intel 14+++ though. Even though 14+++ has been around forever, I think it's still a good node. It's still completely untouched by any other node in frequency, power consumption isn't as important to desktop users, and the node must be so optimized by now that costs are good even with bigger dies.

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